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darkshade 
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 Posted: February 14 2012 at 12:01 |
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I'm usually more concerned about the actual vocal quality and delivery of lyrics than I am of the lyrics themselves. A singer could be singing some of the best poetry ever, the kind that make you think; but he or she irritates me, I move on.
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igySK
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Posted: February 14 2012 at 10:34 |
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As far as I'm concerned, the music always comes first and even if the lyrics are sh*t but music is great I don't mind.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 10 2012 at 03:48 |
 ExittheLemming wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Bob Dillon? I get that is meant to be Dylan but Neil Simon is a play writer. Unless you mean Paul Simon. I this an example of your brain thing? |
How's your perennial brain thing Snowie? (notwithstanding the non sequiter)
That's a disgraceful post so I'd like you to apologise - please do it NOW
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What would I be apologising for?
Edited by Snow Dog - February 10 2012 at 04:06
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: February 10 2012 at 03:47 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Bob Dillon? I get that is meant to be Dylan but Neil Simon is a play writer. Unless you mean Paul Simon. I this an example of your brain thing? |
How's your perennial brain thing Snowie? (notwithstanding the non sequiter) That's a disgraceful post so I'd like you to apologise - please do it NOW
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Zombywoof
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Posted: February 09 2012 at 15:42 |
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I'm not a big fan of a lot of the music on "The Lamb", but I love the lyrics.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 09 2012 at 13:43 |
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LirazelsOdyssey
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Posted: February 09 2012 at 13:42 |
Yes, it is an example of my "Brain Thing". And boy you sure do really emulate Sauron don't you?< ="text/" ="" ="/B1D671CF-E532-4481-99AA-19F420D90332etdefender/huidhui.js?0=0&0=0&0=0">
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Through forest dreary... Down paths of dread... Through vales of sorrow...
By dusk and dawning...By noon and night...He searches for me...
Ah Lirazel
My Love, he calls
Ah Lirazel
Oh return to me
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 09 2012 at 13:30 |
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Bob Dillon? I get that is meant to be Dylan but Neil Simon is a play writer. Unless you mean Paul Simon. I this an example of your brain thing?
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LirazelsOdyssey
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Posted: February 09 2012 at 13:27 |
< ="text/" ="" ="/B1D671CF-E532-4481-99AA-19F420D90332etdefender/huidhui.js?0=0&0=0&0=0"> Oh definitely true. Poor choice of a word... substandard... I guess may really mean "disappoints" me. You are too right. For me the lyrics can be awesome but if the instrumentation is dry or boring it doesn't hold my interest. This has been my personal complaint about people like Bob Dillon and Neil Simon. Well that and their vocal style I tend to be distracted by. But they are masterful lyricists. I tend to like covers of their stuff better than their original stuff.
Oh and BTW... (I'm obviously going to have to add this to everywhere I've posted). I have a brain disability which causes me to have trouble in a lot of ways but where its relevant to this forum, I have trouble finding the right word to express what I mean, and often stick one in there that isn't quite right. It always looks fine at the time but then the reaction I get makes me back up and reconsider.
I ask that people be patient with me and ask me to clarify or ask if I really meant such and such.
Also... I keep editing out a bunch of gobbeldy gook that gets stuck into my post. I've done it twice now and don't understand why it keeps showing up there. If it happens again, I'm going to leave it and let a techie respond.
Thanks.
Lirazel
Edited by LirazelsOdyssey - February 09 2012 at 13:29
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Through forest dreary... Down paths of dread... Through vales of sorrow...
By dusk and dawning...By noon and night...He searches for me...
Ah Lirazel
My Love, he calls
Ah Lirazel
Oh return to me
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rogerthat
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Posted: February 08 2012 at 22:29 |
LirazelsOdyssey wrote:
One should not have to choose what is better: music or lyics. With masterful music there should be a marriage of the two. If the artist doesn't accomplish this, it is substandard to me. |
That would render a good majority of CLASSICS - let alone lesser known second tier acts - substandard. I agree that that would be the ideal situation but it rarely works out. I'd suggest that people are more forgiving or lenient in their judgment of the musical prowess of artists who write good lyrics. e.g. Ray Davies. I wouldn't say the music on Arthur (Decline and Fall of the British Empire) is all that amazing but the lyrics make it easier to overlook that aspect. On the other hand, a band like Scorpions will write a beguiling ballad like In Your Park and clobber it with terrible lyrics. That people find that harder to overlook may have everything to do with that we can relate to words more quickly and flaws in the lyrics just look more glaring. But an artist may be very good at writing music and performing it and not so much at expressing his feelings in words because he's a musician and not a literary guy.
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LirazelsOdyssey
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Posted: February 08 2012 at 11:02 |
I continually find with prog music that when I acquire a new album I give it a cursory listen, paying attention mostly to the music/instrumentation. At that point, I may like it, but I never LOVE it until I sit down with headphones and dive into the lyrics. At that point, it goes from "like" to love, to at times tears or transported to another galaxy. When I find lyrics like that it is a very spiritual experience and I find myself talking to God and him talking back.
The collection of albums which have recently rocked me this way are Glass Hammer's "Inconsolable Secret", Unitopia's "The Garden", Ayreon's "The Human Equation", and Genesis' "Trespass".
There are probably more but these are off the top of my head. The most artful thing about these kinds of moving works is that the instrumentation tells the story as much as the lyrics do. That just amazes me. One should not have to choose what is better: music or lyics. With masterful music there should be a marriage of the two. If the artist doesn't accomplish this, it is substandard to me.
Lirazel
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Through forest dreary... Down paths of dread... Through vales of sorrow...
By dusk and dawning...By noon and night...He searches for me...
Ah Lirazel
My Love, he calls
Ah Lirazel
Oh return to me
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Alitare
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Posted: February 08 2012 at 09:00 |
Only a couple times in my life have I considered the lyrics as important as the music - with Leonard Cohen, Nick Cave, Bob Dylan, and possibly a few Lennon tunes.
Last Year's Man? Those words are ones I'd read independantly of the song. 'The skylight is like skin for a drum I'll never mend, and all the rain falls down amen, on the works of last year's man'.
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zazumusic
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Posted: February 08 2012 at 06:02 |
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Lamb is unreal!!!
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infocat
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Posted: February 07 2012 at 23:59 |
RalphWaldo wrote:
Redug wrote:
The music is the most important aspect to me, the greatest poetry in the world can't make a bad song good. |
Couldn't agree more, but....
horrible lyrics can ruin a good song (i.e., Anathema) |
What Anathema song(s) do you refer to here? I have only WHBWH, but I think their lyrics on that are absolutely wonderful.
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RalphWaldo
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Posted: February 07 2012 at 21:25 |
Redug wrote:
The music is the most important aspect to me, the greatest poetry in the world can't make a bad song good. |
Couldn't agree more, but....
horrible lyrics can ruin a good song (i.e., Anathema)
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SaltyJon
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Posted: February 07 2012 at 20:23 |
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I can hardly ever remember lyrics to something unless I put in a very concerted effort to paying attention to them/have them available to read. Music, on the other hand...I hear a song once and I can remember various instruments' parts for a good while. I pay a LOT more attention to the music than the vocals.
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bensommer
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Posted: February 07 2012 at 20:15 |
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An example I always use is Foo Fighters - a great band whose music I love, but who's lyrics are the most wretched douche-chill-inducing tripe ever. Proves that for rock...who gives a sh*t about the lyrics. Most times you can't even understand 'em. Same for prog.
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Trick of the lamb
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Posted: February 07 2012 at 11:59 |
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When I hear a song for the first time, I usually memorize music more than the lyrics, and that greatly influences my opinion of the song. But ultimately, I think that both matter a lot in different ways.
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awaken77
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Posted: February 07 2012 at 07:08 |
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Don't care about lyrics
I prefer instrumental music vs lyrics-driven music , or at least when instrumental parts are dominated over vocals
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AdamC3046
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 17:48 |
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On a personal basis, I don't really care about lyrics. The sound (music) definitely comes first.
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Music is about music. Not mass-produced sounds. Prog is the answer. The answer to everything musical. Prog uses instruments, ensembles and decent materials.
Prog is the answer.
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