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JMCecil 
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 Posted: May 16 2005 at 09:05 |
 Reverie wrote:
I know a lot of people think all of Dream Theater's music is complexity for the sake of complexity |
It's not complex, it's scales for the sake of making people think it's complex. If you ever listen to college music students practicing, that's what most dream theater solo/instrumental sections sound like.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 16 2005 at 08:17 |
In the end TOT is the album they wanted to make, I think that it is "polished" BTW. They wanted to make an album with all heavy songs and no ballads, like a Metallica album. Something simple, strightforward and loads of widdly bits.  Its out of their system now! The more I here TOT the better it gets. Btw the instrumental track brings to mind Liquid Tension Experiment to me. 
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 16 2005 at 05:15 |
TOT contains many nice melodies, they're just not as polished and harder to find than they were on their previous releases. I think that this album was a logical thing for them to do, it's something they really enjoy (at least I get that impression from watching them playing the stuff live). It provides a necessary contrast to SfaM, not in quality, but in that is is less polished, more raw and direct than anything they did before. Symphony X did it with Odyssey, Metallica with St. Anger, DT with TOT ... I think, at least Symhony X and DT succeeded brillantly!
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muffley_mirkin
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Posted: May 16 2005 at 04:16 |
Snow Dog wrote:
I don't really understand
in what way TOT is not coherent! |
To me it sounds as if they got in the studio turned everything up to 11
and went hell for leather to create the heaviest, fastest music they could. I
enjoy a good sonic onslaught but at least have some respite and melody
thrown in.
They are capable of creating heavy and complex music as we know, but
something you can follow throughout the song has to be in there as well.
Still a great band and great bands are allowed a light blip in their career.
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Astaroth
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 21:59 |
when dream and day unite : *** ( ytse-jam  )
images and words : *****
awake ****
falling into infinity *** ( have great ballads, but not prog)
a change of seasons **** (I love that epic)
metropolis pt2 *****
six degrees of inner turbulence **** (for glass prison and the 2nd disc)
train of thought *** (i like it a lot, but is far from prog)
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"I need you more that you can know ... and if I hurt myself it's just for show"
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Reverie
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 21:50 |
For me TOT was so bad not because of the heaviness, but because it was so boring and uninspiring. It was littered with needless and mindless intrumental sections where the idea seemed to be to create speed and complexity rather than music. I know a lot of people think all of Dream Theater's music is complexity for the sake of complexity, and while i don't completely agree with that for all of the other albums, when it comes to TOT i just can't find anything to dispute that idea.
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Entropia
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 21:48 |
When Dream and Day Unite 1
Images and Words 4
Awake 4
A Change of Seasons 4
Falling Into Infinity 4
Scenes From A Memory 5
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 4
Train of Thought 4
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King of Loss
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Joined: April 21 2005
Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 19:26 |
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ToT was a very good album, however it was low compared to the other albums. Maybe too heavy for all of you tr00 proggies.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 19:10 |
muffley_mirkin wrote:
Hope the new album is more coherent than Train Of Thought........
When Dream and Day Unite **
Images And Words ****
Awake *****
A Change Of Seasons *****
Falling Into Infinity ***
Scenes From A Memory ****
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence ****
Train Of Thought ** |
I don't really understand in what way TOT is not coherent!
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Valarius
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 14:55 |
Manunkind wrote:
/\ well, there are much harder things to learn to live with... but come on, some objectivity is called for. As much as I enjoy Dream Theater and am willing to defend them and assign most of the flaws they're accused of here to the critics mistaking them for their UK counterpart Dream Theatre , they (Dream Theater, that is ) are nowhere near as original as many bands in the archives, and being creatively original is an enormous asset...
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Originality means nothing to me though. I like the music Dream Theater make. THAT'S what matters to me.
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muffley_mirkin
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 09:45 |
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Hope the new album is more coherent than Train Of Thought........
When Dream and Day Unite **
Images And Words ****
Awake *****
A Change Of Seasons *****
Falling Into Infinity ***
Scenes From A Memory ****
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence ****
Train Of Thought **
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Manunkind
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 09:43 |
/\ well, there are much harder things to learn to live with... but come on, some objectivity is called for. As much as I enjoy Dream Theater and am willing to defend them and assign most of the flaws they're accused of here to the critics mistaking them for their UK counterpart Dream Theatre, they (Dream Theater, that is) are nowhere near as original as many bands in the archives, and being creatively original is an enormous asset...
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Valarius
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 09:24 |
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Yeah, I'm afraid that's how much I like DT. I really know every single note off every album and love every single song of theirs. If people don't like they'll have to learn to live with it.
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Manunkind
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 08:13 |
Valarius wrote:
Well duh! You all know what I'm going to say, but I guess I'll humour you...
When Dream and Day Unite *****
Images And Words *****
Awake *****
A Change Of Seasons *****
Falling Into Infinity *****
Scenes From A Memory *****
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence *****
Train Of Thought *****
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come on, even Karnevil9 wouldn't give 5 stars to all ELP albums!
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Radioactive Toy
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 04:58 |
Valarius wrote:
Well duh! You all know what I'm going to say, but I guess I'll humour you...
When Dream and Day Unite *****
Images And Words *****
Awake *****
A Change Of Seasons *****
Falling Into Infinity *****
Scenes From A Memory *****
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence *****
Train Of Thought *****
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uh well it is the best progmetalband ever aren't they? 
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coffeeintheface
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 01:45 |
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For the ones I've heard:
Images and Words ****1/2
Awake****
A Change of Seasons*****
Scenes from a Memory***** (an absolute masterpiece)
Train of Thought***1/2
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OBQM: www.soundcloud.com/onebigquestionmark (solo project)
nQuixote: www.soundcloud.com/n-quixote (ambient + various musical ideas)
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Bryan
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 01:44 |
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Awake: 3/5
A Change of Seasons: 2/5
Scenes From a Memory: 2/5
Train of Thought: 2.5/5
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Lateralus_66
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Joined: May 03 2005
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 01:16 |
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Lateralus_66
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 00:59 |
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When Dream and Day Unite ***** (too 80's crap infested)
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Images And Words ***** (good change)
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Awake ***** (good change) -
A Change Of Seasons ***** (The main track)
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Falling Into Infinity ***** (uninspirated) -
Scenes.....Metropolis Pt 2 ***** (good concept album) -
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence ***** (one step forward) -
Train Of Thought ***** (It could be 5, but "As I Am" )
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pakish
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Posted: May 14 2005 at 23:44 |
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When Dream and Day Unite ***** -
Images And Words ***** -
Awake ***** -
A Change Of Seasons ***** -
Falling Into Infinity ***** -
Scenes.....Metropolis Pt 2 ***** -
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence ***** -
Train Of Thought *****
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TOEFL in latin america = neolanguage
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