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micky 
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 Posted: June 15 2008 at 16:01 |
 damn right Rocktopus... if it weren't for the Brits and Americans sh*tting on the rest of world.. everyone else would still be living in mud huts and hunting for their dinners in the woods  *munch munch munch*
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Rocktopus
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 15:55 |
 Garion81 wrote:
I am so tired of the USA getting crapped on in threads like this.
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I'm tired of brits and americans crapping on the rest of the world.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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micky
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 15:46 |
oh this is grand *munch munch munch*
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Hawkwise
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 15:21 |
Garion81 wrote:
I am so tired of the USA getting crapped on in threads like this. I grew up in Orange County, California in the 70's graduating High School in 1974. We had 5 bands playing symphonic progressive rock from 1972-1978 never getting signed. (ask Micky I gave him samples of some of the bands practice tapes) I remember a concert where all 5 played at and it drew 5000 kids and none of these groups had a deal. That was 5 bands in one small part of the country. I contend most American prog died on the vine and was never signed because the music industry was already consolidating the avenues of styles. (The only real experimental music in the US came out of the 67-70 Psychedelic bands and other The Doors, The Byrds and Touch but even still much of this music was still processed for hit radio) The only reason we had Kansas was because they had drawn Don Kirshner's notice BEFORE Kerry Livgren joined the band. It was Livgren that added the symphonic elements to the group. It was a total fluke. Before people criticize this band I have heard more people in the US say their first introduction to prog, several dozen in the last year or so, was through Kansas. Maybe they were not influential on an international level but here they certainly were.
(For all of you who say they were a copy cat band I suggest you pick up an album called Proto-Kaw Early Recordings From Kansas 1971-3 and see how much earlier some of the songs the famous Kansas recorded were actually written and hear how Livgren was using more experimental music with no synths or mellotrons)
I would put up the recordings of Happy the Man against any band from Europe in the 70's as well. They may well have the most Euro sounding of all the American groups.
No we were not well represented in the 70's on record but the current wave of bands are as good or better than anything out there now. I put IZZ, Echolyn, Helmet of Gnats, Frogg Cafe, Umphreys McGee up as more of progressive band than PT. The Tanget is an international band with a terrible singer so don't try to get British ownership there. As for cheese there is nothing cheesier than Neo in my mind. Galahad (British) anyone? 
That said it was the Britsih who popularized the sound. Whether or not it is the best is entirely subjective.
I am not trying cause a war but at I am least trying to defend and educate what was going on in the US in the 70's
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Kansas wasn't that called AOR Adult Orientated Rock along with the likes of Journey and Styx
Sorry but Kansas where never in the same league as any the Prog Bands from the UK and Europe ,
Funny enough i just bought Leftouerture on Vinyl (in Bargain bucket 4 bucks) and i would say is a very week
sounding album , sounds like a band trying to be Prog but just not
getting it (what ever it is ?) what lets it down the most is the very
poor Vocals the Vocals just have no Character to them and lyrically
its poor to
Just not in the Same League as the Prog from the UK and Europe
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Wanorak
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 15:16 |
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I agree with it being the best from 1970-1990, but I think the country with the best prog from the last few years is Sweden.
The sheer number and quality of bands to come from that tiny country is just amazing.
They must have a fabulous concert scene in Sweden!!
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A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!!
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Leningrad
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 15:08 |
Garion81 wrote:
I would put up the recordings of Happy the Man against any band from Europe in the 70's as well. They may well have the most Euro sounding of all the American groups.
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Yes! 
I wouldn't say that they're explicitly 'Euro' sounding - they created a very unique sound - but anyone who doubts the quality of '70s American prog is recommended to check out their debut.
Pavlov's Dog, as well. Pampered Menial, folks.
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Garion81
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 15:03 |
I am so tired of the USA getting crapped on in threads like this. I grew up in Orange County, California in the 70's graduating High School in 1974. We had 5 bands playing symphonic progressive rock from 1972-1978 never getting signed. (ask Micky I gave him samples of some of the bands practice tapes) I remember a concert where all 5 played at and it drew 5000 kids and none of these groups had a deal. That was 5 bands in one small part of the country. I contend most American prog died on the vine and was never signed because the music industry was already consolidating the avenues of styles. (The only real experimental music in the US came out of the 67-70 Psychedelic bands and other The Doors, The Byrds and Touch but even still much of this music was still processed for hit radio) The only reason we had Kansas was because they had drawn Don Kirshner's notice BEFORE Kerry Livgren joined the band. It was Livgren that added the symphonic elements to the group. It was a total fluke. Before people criticize this band I have heard more people in the US say their first introduction to prog, several dozen in the last year or so, was through Kansas. Maybe they were not influential on an international level but here they certainly were.
(For all of you who say they were a copy cat band I suggest you pick up an album called Proto-Kaw Early Recordings From Kansas 1971-3 and see how much earlier some of the songs the famous Kansas recorded were actually written and hear how Livgren was using more experimental music with no synths or mellotrons)
I would put up the recordings of Happy the Man against any band from Europe in the 70's as well. They may well have the most Euro sounding of all the American groups.
No we were not well represented in the 70's on record but the current wave of bands are as good or better than anything out there now. I put IZZ, Echolyn, Helmet of Gnats, Frogg Cafe, Umphreys McGee up as more of progressive band than PT. The Tanget is an international band with a terrible singer so don't try to get British ownership there. As for cheese there is nothing cheesier than Neo in my mind. Galahad (British) anyone?
That said it was the Britsih who popularized the sound. Whether or not it is the best is entirely subjective.
I am not trying cause a war but at I am least trying to defend and educate what was going on in the US in the 70's
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"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
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Dim
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 14:45 |
RaphaelT wrote:
And back to the matter onto who invented and developed prog |
WRONG
This thread is about the UK giving out the best prog output, a year ago I would have said yes without hesitation, now it's the exact opposite.
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RaphaelT
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 14:22 |
Ah, it started to be the battle of the nations, and he already have european football championships under our belt (on Friday I wanted to write that I hate british prog due to Howard Webb's "prank" but the taunting scenes from Monty Python and the Holy Grail acted as a therapy).
And back to the matter onto who invented and developed prog - there is no dubbed we use the term "progressive rock" because it is the word that was coined to describe the style of bands like King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Yes and other british bands, who gained the greatest commercial success, also thanks to growing sensibility to more complex music in Europe and USA.
The success was also artistical, seeing at the list of most important albums, and we agree that bulk of the first ten or twenty of it was created by British bands. Ando also contemporary british prog is strong, not only Porcupine Tree or The Tangent, but also the great bands of neoprog are at their peak...
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yet you still have time!
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laplace
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 13:58 |
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the US? meh if i wanted to listen to a country full of prog copyists I'd go with Japan, whose bands often sound like they're enjoying zemselves
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Dim
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 13:56 |
For the seventies? Yes!
As for now, America top pwns everyone else, with Japan and Sweden close behind.
After reading most of this thread I remember why I almost never post in the prog music discussion lounge anymore, cause 90% of the people who discuss here are either stuck in the seventies, or have a problem with metal. Honestly, besides Porcupine Tree, The UK is one of the most regressive countries in prog right now, nothing coming out of the UK feels fresh and original compared to any of the Scandinavian countries or America.
Edited by schizoid_man77 - June 15 2008 at 14:06
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rileydog22
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 13:51 |
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French is pretty dry except Magma and Art Zoyd, and two bands hardly make a great scene.
Likewise, America doesn't have much going for it besides Zappa and Beefheart--the latest wave of American avant leaves me pretty cold.
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Pnoom!
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 13:42 |
rileydog22 wrote:
German prog is better, IMO.
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As is French (Magma) and American (Zappa/Beefheart/lots of avant-garde)
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rileydog22
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 13:35 |
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German prog is better, IMO.
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Hawkwise
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 13:21 |
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British the best hmmm not shore about that , most commercial and Successful yes but best ?
but what i would say is Prog is mainly a European genre , North America just does not do prog hence i have hardly any Prog music in my collection from North America its mostly from Europe , but then we go in the Argument again about what is and what isn't Prog ?
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micky
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 12:59 |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Leningrad
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 12:48 |
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England is definitely up there, but I'd probably put Germany and France before it.
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Raff
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 12:45 |
Just for the record: Cedric B-Z (who has also been known to say TMV are not prog) is not Mexican, but from Puerto Rico, as is TMV mastermind, Omar Rodriguez-Lopez. If Chamberry reads that, you'll be in for some fun !
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The Quiet One
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 12:32 |
How about ARGENTINIAN Prog?!?!?  
#1 Argentina
#2 Argentina
#3 Argentina
#4 Argentina
#5 Argentina
#6 Argentina
#7 Argentina
#8 Argentina
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#10 Argentina
#11 British
#12-20 the rest.
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micky
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 12:28 |
oracus wrote:
I've always believed that Italy had enough talent to feed sufficiently a continent like Europe. IMHO they made the most eclectic and interesting prog in the world
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they did.. which explains the high casaulty rate among groups... far more prog groups that the market could support... but thankfully for us.. the music survives.. and once you progress past the big 5.. you see a WEALTH of great prog that rivals the best of anything that came out of more celebrated places like England... or even Germany.
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