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Angelo ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
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Heard it. It may be a boundary case, but given the intention of the artists and the nature of the remixes I'd say it's not a Compilation.
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Angelo ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
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Guess what - some time in september I will post about the new Edison's Children album there :-) Glad you like what I do there, now I know who the occasional visitor from Iran is!
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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As you wish Majesty!! Its done
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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As you wish majesty!! its done
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Will it ever end? Please, somebody, kill the beast.
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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Thanks Angelo. I really like to talk about music and opinions with you. I check your blog and honestly I like that.
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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Hi Dean. You right. I like Marillion's Grendel and this song not be in Album. I found that in B-Side and I really like to rate or talk about that. I agree with you about that.
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Angelo ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
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Thanks for the kind PM, Omid - this should settle it. No need to apologise, in a misunderstanding both sides are wrong (and right at the same time if you want). :-) I think the Edison's Children album is a studio album, as I explained to you in PM, but I'll wait with my final opinion until my ears can confirm or deny this fact next week. Prog on!
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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Thanks. If everybody got my points, Why they gave to me Album's Definition?! In this time you right. You can review this thread and replies. You have your point and I want to say reasonable Point but not enough for me. As I said before you can see 2-3 version of one track and honestly when I compare versions I reach to Original track. I mean main track better than all versions of that track!! I know this is subjective and not about our discussion.
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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Honestly Interesting Point . BUT IMO in these cases we must choose nearest category. I can ignore 2 or 3 tracks of 12-13 tracks album but in this case we have over 50% remixes or versions of tracks. you see album's track list . Full of (X mix) or (X version) . IMO this is not a New Studio Album.
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^ My dear chap. I have listened to the Edison's Children album. It is not a box set - it only has the one disc. It is not a compilation - it has new tracks, and new versions of old tracks. It is not a live album, although it does contain one live track (from Wolverhampton, if you are interested). It is not a various artists album, although it does feature other artists on top of Blackwood and Trewavas.
That leaves us, then, with only one possible contender, ergo a studio album. |
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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Hi Angelo. I want explain to you and other friends about this thread: 1 - Angelo right about challenge . Post "TITLE" is wrong and I must choose another Title to show my opinion clearly. This title may make misunderstanding. I don't want say "changing definition " . I talk about changing category of some Released material and ... You right Angelo and pardon me. 2 - Angelo right about Objective. This is not Objective case.This is a Subjective case. You right again Angelo. 3 - I don't proud to suggesting bands in PA. Honestly I tried to gave Angelo one fact to proof that I Know Bandcamp or this kind of sites . I never proud to suggesting or introducing bands. Finally I stand on my opinion about Edison's Children's " Somewhere Between Here And There ". This is not a Studio Album but this can be a Boxset or Compilation . Please listen and check that then give me your opinions if you like. Thanks for your time and one great sorry to Angelo.
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Angelo ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
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Hmmm... pretty obvious what the problem is here. I'll take this to a PM, so we don't further waste other member's time on this.
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Because it is the PA collabs' mandate (from M@X) to list the artists entire discography regardless of format. This includes singles, EPs, fan-club releases, demos and even flexi-discs. Using the logic that the songs can be found readily on studio albums should we not permit reviews of compilations and VA samplers too? Anyway... Not all bands lifted tracks off their latest album to release as singles (Strawberry Fields, Paperback Writer, Day Tripper, Hey Jude, Apples and Oranges, See Emily Play, Arnold Lane, Apples and Oranges, It Would Be So Nice, Point Me At The Sky, etc.). Often the single version was an edit, different recording or a different mix. Also, b-sides were often tracks not found on albums. That all these different non-album tracks later appear on compilations is immaterial. It used to irk me that some folk only reviewed the a-side and failed to mention the b-side and that others "reviewed" a single when it is clear that they've never actually heard the particular version that was released on 45, but now I just shrug and move on. |
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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IMO Edison's Children's "Somewhere Between Here And There" not be a "Studio Album" but I respect to you and Your opinion. Thanks
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23146 |
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Alright then take it easy (maybe it's PA who should be afraid
![]() I still don't see the need for it to be honest. It's a new album with new material though with a bit extra music in the bargain. Adding a whole category for what basically just is a new studio release with extra padding is in my humble opinion overkill. All people have to do is to click on the given release and then they will be able to see what it contains. |
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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I swear to god I don't talk about CHANGING definition!!! I JUST talked about changing category of this kind of albums specially Edison's Children last album!! I can give you more examples. But I afraid!!!
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23146 |
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Luckily so this part of the forum is not very busy. I think you have a bigger chance of members seeing this here than in the prog lounge, where it almost certainly would 'disappear' among the more active threads. As for your op: I agree with Audun (The Bearded Bard) who just posted. 31 minutes of brand new music is sufficient enough for PA to categorise it as a studio album. Hell I have a fair few albums, studio no less, that are shorter than that. I see no reason to change our definitions. Edited by Guldbamsen - August 16 2015 at 10:13 |
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The Bearded Bard ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 24 2012 Location: Behind the Sun Status: Offline Points: 12859 |
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I think we all get your point, we just don't all agree with you that the album should be regarded a compilation album and not a studio album. With just 31 min. of new music, i.e. of never before released material, excluding never before heard remixes of old songs, it's a bit on the short side for a studio album, but it's over the limit of an EP (25 min.), and there's been studio albums in the past that's been, if not shorter, at least not very much longer. The band calls it a "bridge album", as it's not a concept album in the typical Edison's Children vein. As long as the band don't call it a compilation album, I think it's fine in studio albums.
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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You right. But I can't find it easily . Maybe this happen for others that want to continue this discuss and they can't find it.
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