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martinn
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Topic: tool vs porcupine tree Posted: December 25 2006 at 09:45 |
here we go again.....
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toolsofthetrade
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Posted: December 25 2006 at 05:53 |
what do you do then, clark, when (and if) people make sweeping generalisations about your person based on what music you like? agree with them? or just post immature, pointless stuff that doesn't contribute anything like `tool sucks'...without providing any reason why?...
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toolsofthetrade
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Posted: December 25 2006 at 05:50 |
Clark Ashton wrote:
IMO: Tool Sucks! That is my opinion! Tool fans are prone to flame anything against Tool. But, I don't care if you disagree with me. | yes...tool fans are likely to disagree with people who make sweeping generalisations like `only pretentious teenagers who wanna be badass listen to tool' ... ...wow, how unusual and surprising.
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Clark Ashton
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Posted: December 23 2006 at 15:40 |
IMO: Tool Sucks! That is my opinion! Tool fans are prone to flame anything against Tool. But, I don't care if you disagree with me.
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darkmatter
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Posted: December 23 2006 at 12:41 |
I don't think it's fair to compare these two bands... they have completely different styles if you ask me, and sound distinctly different (especially Tool, no one sounds like Tool).
But if it's just a question of which band you like more, I'd choose Porcupine Tree.
...and Deadwing and 10,000 Days are most definitely NOT terrible albums, Arriving Somewhere... and 10,000 Days are two of my favorite songs!
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EliasMisael
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Posted: December 23 2006 at 11:45 |
Both bands are great! In one hand we have Tool with Carey's impressive drumming and Maynard peculiar voice. But in the other side we have one of the most inventive musician in the earth: Mr. Steven Wilson, then my vote goes for PT!
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: December 23 2006 at 10:47 |
Great rant Fuzz! It's good to see people so passionate about their music.And obviously PORCUPINE TREE and TOOL are huge in the prog world.Personally i would probably take "lateralus" over "Absentia" or "Stupid dream" although it's so close.But it isn't even close who's the better band, with way more quality music behind them...PORCUPINE TREE!
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Asyte2c00
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Posted: December 23 2006 at 10:39 |
I went to see PT this year.
Nearly twenty people had TOOL t-shirts on.
I would have to say Tool by a hair.
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Fuzz
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Posted: December 23 2006 at 10:33 |
toolsofthetrade wrote:
Fuzz wrote:
PT easily. Tool is overrated, prententious and dull. It's just angsty
music that teenagers listen to so that they feel bad-ass. Porcupine
Tree actually has some substance and variety in their music.
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The most likely cause of you finding them pretentious is that you
simply don't understand many of the concepts in their music. Substance?
Tool's songs can be interpreted and analysed far deeper than most of
pt's music can. I can understand you finding them dull (although it's
difficult seeing as a lot of pt's stuff is pyschadelic guitar noodling,
which is far duller), but saying they lack substance is just plain
wrong.
But what do i know? I just listen to them to feel `badass'.
And yes to the other person, your ears must not function properly
if you literally cannot distinguish between different tool songs.
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Hey, you know what's funny? Tool was the band that got me into music
like this. Tool was my first major band. I was obsessed with them for
years. Then I woke up. I will agree that Tool's music is open to deeper
analysis and interpretation than PT's music, but it doesn't matter
because the hidden meanings/nuggets that Tool puts in their songs are
usually really stupid and shallow anyways. Maynard and his buddies
simply throws these things into their songs to make the songs appear
more mysterious and complex than they really are. Watch any interview
with this guy and listen to what he says about Tool and about music in
general. He makes Tool out to be the greatest thing since sliced bread
and he sh*ts on just about every band that doesn't play similar music
to Tool.
I hate Tool fans and their attitude towards music, I hate Maynard James
Keenan and his pompous persona, and I hate Tool's pretentious and
oftentimes boring music. It seems like they just write 4-minute
hard-rock/sludge metal songs and then add a ton of stupid pointless
crap to it to turn it into a 10 minute dirge. I'm sorry, but I just
don't think they're anything special anymore. I'm over them and I
actually feel bad for the people who go around touting Tool as the
end-all be all of music.
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Chris H
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Posted: December 23 2006 at 08:43 |
Well if you ask me, it's no contest. O popularity, it's probably 50-50 for most people here, but when it comes to the actaul music, i.e. lyrical content, arrangements, sound variations, we can all agree that Porcupine Tree has Tool licked, no contest.
Tool's music is just bottled up raw anger that comes out over a thunderclap of drums song after song, album after album, even thought I do particularly enjoy Justin Chancellor on bass.
However, Porcupine Tree always differs their sound and they always make it work for them as well. I can't think of one Porcupine Tree I don't like. (Or Own) =]
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toolsofthetrade
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Posted: December 23 2006 at 08:09 |
Fuzz wrote:
PT easily. Tool is overrated, prententious and dull. It's just angsty music that teenagers listen to so that they feel bad-ass. Porcupine Tree actually has some substance and variety in their music.
| The most likely cause of you finding them pretentious is that you simply don't understand many of the concepts in their music. Substance? Tool's songs can be interpreted and analysed far deeper than most of pt's music can. I can understand you finding them dull (although it's difficult seeing as a lot of pt's stuff is pyschadelic guitar noodling, which is far duller), but saying they lack substance is just plain wrong. But what do i know? I just listen to them to feel `badass'. And yes to the other person, your ears must not function properly if you literally cannot distinguish between different tool songs.
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MadcapLaughs84
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 23:35 |
I refer PT, they are more versatile.
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progadicto
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 23:03 |
IMHO Porcupine Tree discogrpahy is more consistent than Tool discography even when I enjoy their albums... For me PT is one of the best bands of the last 10-15 years and one of my fav actually... Tool is good but sounds a little repetitive for me... you can play their first or their last album and you'll find almost the same kind of songs...
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KoS
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 22:50 |
Tool, just because I'm a pretentious teenager who wants to feel bad ass.
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Fuzz
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 22:46 |
PT easily. Tool is overrated, prententious and dull. It's just angsty
music that teenagers listen to so that they feel bad-ass. Porcupine
Tree actually has some substance and variety in their music.
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stupid_dreamer
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 19:48 |
obviously porcupine tree
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Masque
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 19:09 |
So where do we vote ?
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Spacemac
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 18:33 |
both are great
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laplace
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 15:51 |
archivep wrote:
It´s really funny when somebody put here really unnecessary topic and we all join it, but me too...
We can compare millions of band... |
Yep. I was just trying to work out what the two bands had in common.
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rushaholic
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 15:51 |
Tool is one of the greatest bands around. However, when compared to Porcupine Tree, they pale in comparison. PT is easily one of the top 5 bands to appear in the last 10 years.
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