Peter Gabriel Is In Crossover!!!

If you played it for 2 hours, that'd be pretty prog.

 

Yeah. *droooling*

 

Well, until I knew Hyperbole was a valid figure of speech.

 

Iván

 So something really positive related to the new sub-subgenres.

 

Never said Mike's solo career, I believe Smallcreeps Day could fit in PR, but Phil Collins necer made a prog song inn his solo career.

 

On the other hand, just explaining the point, because I heard this position repeatedly, I can't guess when something is a joke or is said seriously.

 

But don't worry not a Genesis Montreal thread, i'm also tired of that one.

 

Iván

 

BTW: If you noticed I have not posted a single time to support or not the Peter Gabriel movement to Crossover, so my position has nothing to do here.

 

Your position on post-Gabriel Genesis and Phil Collins' solo career are definitely well-known and expressed throughtout PA and I certainly have no intention of entering the battle waged on the Genesis Montreal thread. 

 

As I said in my post all that I was doing with my suggestion was having fun by "reuniting" the members of Genesis by suggesting that their solo bands be grouped together in the same made up sub-genre "former prog band members".  I am absolutely not suggesting that this genre be added; again I was only having fun with "reuniting" Genesis.  I believe that you overexaggerate with your comment about neither Mike or Phil writing a single prog note in their solo careers, but I also agree that neither of them are prog and that neither of them belong on Prog Archives. 

 

As far as the various sub-genres go, again, I respect the decisions and definitions that have been made by yourself and the other special collaborators and the site owners.  I realize that you have dealt with these various subgenres far longer than I have and that you definitely have a better understanding of them than I do.  I have read the definitions of these various subgenres and still find them somewhat unclear, but this again is probably more due to my lack of knowledge in these areas.  I am sure that there is a subtle difference between Prog-related and the Crossover Prog definitions that is taken into account by the decision makers when choosing the various bands' categories. 

 

Again I respect the decisions that have been made and I am not suggesting that any changes be made.  As an example, to me, a band like Iron Maiden is a heavy metal band that "crossed over" into prog with albums such as Seventh Son and Somewhere In Time.  But I also know that unless Ghost Rider works some magic it will be a cold day in hell before Iron Maiden is listed as anything but Prog-Related on PA.  It is what it is and the decisions that are made are the decisions that are made. 

 

Take care. 

 

Scott

First off, as I said in my previous post I respect the decisions of the Special Collabs and the site owners in regards to the genres decided and where the bands are placed.  Although I might not agree on all of them that is understandable on both sides.  Some bands could fit into multiple categories and it is a judgement call as to which genre that best fits them.  As I also mentioned at this time I don't fully understand what is meant by the various subgenres but this is due more to my limited knowledge of these terms.  I say this tongue in cheek, but to me the term Prog-Related would include Phil Collins and Peter Gabriel and Mike + the Mechanics because all 3 are pop bands that are "related" to Genesis the prog band because of the overlapping band member(s).  I understand that is not how PA defined Prog-related but to me that would be a literal definition.  Also, based on the six degrees of separation theory based on that line of thinking PA would end up including every band in All Music because somehow somewhere Cyndi Laupner is related to King Crimson because her horn player played in a jazz band that featured a guy who played in a band with Robert Fripp, etc... and that is most definitely not the purpose of PA.

 

I don't wish to enter this debate or rehash other thread arguments in regards to what I consider a fine line between prog-related and crossover prog and eclectic prog (which at this point I really have no idea what this is supposed to mean).   I suspect that there is some sort of standard measurement used such as if a band's music is "more than 25% proggy but less than 50% proggy" they are deemed prog related but if they are "more than 50% proggy but less than 75% proggy" they are crossover prog and if they are "greater than 75% proggy" they are eclectic.  As I said I realize that it is a judgement call and I respect that the Special Collabs are far more knowlegable about these items than I am and that much thought and discussion goes into where a band is eventually placed.