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Syzygy
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Topic: bands with a message Posted: March 04 2008 at 11:34 |
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Robert Wyatt has been writing songs from a left wing perspective since Matching Mole's Little Red Record, attacking racism, xenophobia, hypocrisy, greed and imperialism. He's also written some of the most achingly poignant and beautiful love songs ever.
Henry Cow were similarly uncompromising, with unambiguous political messages in both their lyrics and artwork. Chris Cutler, Tim Hodgkinson and Lindsay Cooper have all comtinued to do so throughout their subsequent careers.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
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debrewguy
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Posted: March 04 2008 at 11:23 | |||||||||||
And some of them come back to bite your ass. VH tickets for $XXXX anyone ? |
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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debrewguy
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Posted: March 04 2008 at 11:21 | |||||||||||
Maybe, but even an idiot may come up with wisdom at times. As much as I "get" the social & political bent of Rush lyrics, after a certain point they get clunky. The wordsmith looks to fit his message into a 4 minute song. And what may sound well in conversation comes across as forced & preachy in song. Check out Test for Echo from Rush - Half the World knows this already, the other half's lot is not affected in the least by words to a pop song. The main problem with "older" acts playing the social conciousness game is that it rarely comes across as natural. Almost as if they noticed that they are adults & must show responsability in their positions of cultural icons or musical idols. Give Johnny Cash a listen. When the man in black had something to say, he said it straight & backed it up with years of quiet activism. But he also knew that he was an entertainer, a singer. And as the final nail in the coffin for the importance of "message music" - Woodstock, Live Aid, Farm Aid, Live 8, Free Tibet etc... Let's all quote Keef who said that it was all something for the "Sirs" to feel good about themselves. |
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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debrewguy
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Posted: March 04 2008 at 11:12 | |||||||||||
Are you taking into account that Floyd was part of the system? Enjoying the privileges accorded to the wealthy, and taking lyrical shots at the same system seems a tad hypocritical. I don't remember any political activities from any of PF's members. And that accusation can be readily deployed against most of the punkers. All talk, no action. And apply that to fans - insist on the importance & universal truth in the lyrical messages expounded by your musical idols, then stay home watching TV instead of working for or against political parties, participating in organizations looking to influence or pressure government(s) to enact changes. It's like buying diet & fitness books by the carload, then settling down to a weekend of beer, cheesies & DVDs. PARTICIPATE ! Vote, contribute, work for or against candidates, sign petitions, protest, just do something. |
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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debrewguy
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Posted: March 04 2008 at 11:02 | |||||||||||
Mind you, before music, he also started out peddling porn, eh ... Some say that the judicial intervention that put him & his partner out of business also fueled a certain hatred for authority. Though I've never read or heard whether that was because he felt that the police had better things to take care of, or because his source of income was taken away. Mind you part II - a, if not the major fault of Zappa's (and not limited to him) was an inability to self-critique. Intelligence & wit are great, but self satisfied smarminess as if you are "obviously" superior to others will give detractors a field day. All they have to do is find the one mistake or incorrect opinion to sink the rest of the message. And believe me, there are many things in Zappa's lyrics that can be justifiably attacked as being inappropriate, ill advised & sometimes, frankly just plain in execrably bad taste. Add to that the unwillingness to ever apologise for even the most obvious transgressions, nor even to bother to specifically address such concerns directly by explaining his intent in such songs. So, too often your average Joe has reason to wonder where the line between critique of & belief in was. |
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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The Wizard
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Posted: March 03 2008 at 21:04 | |||||||||||
The Mothers Of Invention are the masters at this, they had a punk attitude before even such a thing existed.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: March 03 2008 at 18:32 | |||||||||||
Definitely NOT what I had in mind, but not a bad message considering.....
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rushfan4
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Posted: March 03 2008 at 17:33 | |||||||||||
^ "I don't want to work, I want to bang on the drums all day."
Not what you had in mind, but one of my favorite messages.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: March 03 2008 at 15:49 | |||||||||||
The only guy that I really listen to for a message is Todd Rundgren. When he wants to get a message across, he does it well. |
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sleeper
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Posted: March 03 2008 at 09:52 | |||||||||||
The messages in Pain of Salvations albums Entropia, One Hour by the Concrete Lake, Be and Scarsick arent hard to find, particualrly the latter two.
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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kenmartree
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Posted: March 03 2008 at 04:11 | |||||||||||
My thoughts exactly when I think about Neil Morse
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ProgressiveOpinion
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 19:45 | |||||||||||
Did anyone mention Neal Morse?
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 02:27 | |||||||||||
Heck yes. But the king here (once he gets added, that is) is Todd Rudgren. The guy doesn't shy away from messages in his music. "When you stand, stand for something."
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stonebeard
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 00:36 | |||||||||||
I love the Oils, but only have Diesel and Dust (an absolute classic). I'll be getting The Sun and Moon and Sky soon. |
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BaldJean
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 00:29 | |||||||||||
if you were familiar with the British way of gardening you would not ask yourself what a "hedgerow" is.
as to bustle: you seem tzo think of this meaning of the word: bus·tle2 [buhs-uhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun
there is, however, another meaning of it: bus·tle1 [buhs-uhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -tled, -tling, noun –verb (used without object)
to me it always seemed clear that definition 4 was meant when Led Zeppelin sang about the "bustle in the hedgerow" Edited by BaldJean - March 01 2008 at 00:30 |
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 29 2008 at 23:30 | |||||||||||
if a journalist doesn't know what a hedgerow is he deserves to have his chain yanked
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: February 29 2008 at 23:21 | |||||||||||
Gabriel era Genesis were the kings of songs with messages, starting with the name Selling England by the Pound, takes it's name fr9om a Laboiur Party Manifesto.
But you got a lot: for example
I never understood the Punk criticism, maybe they believe raging against everything in the most crude and obvious way is better than intelligent lyrics with message?
Iván
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micky
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Posted: February 29 2008 at 16:53 | |||||||||||
that's true.. wasn't the environment the theme of Blue Sky MIning. Scream in Blue Live was a great live album... one of my favorites from that time. I have a funny story about how I discovered this group... but probably not for public forum |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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CryoftheCarrots
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Posted: February 29 2008 at 16:48 | |||||||||||
Not only Aboriginal rights but moreso environmental issues. That is the reason Peter Garret is now the
Australian minister for the environment. One of my fave bands in my younger days.Awesome live band.
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"There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about"
MJK |
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Lofcaudio
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Posted: February 29 2008 at 13:29 | |||||||||||
Which is why that whole passage made more sense when played backwards.
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