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Alberto Muņoz
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Topic: Most Pretentious Band? Posted: September 28 2008 at 21:45 |
Every person that want to form a group of music (and wants money and fame), have a degree more or less in pretentious. In Every kind of music.
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alanerc
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Posted: September 28 2008 at 20:14 |
ELP I couldn't stand their 1st album the 1st time They were so virtuosos, that I didn't find what the thing was
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Tapfret
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Posted: September 28 2008 at 16:42 |
The act of judging pretension is a pretentious act onto itself.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: September 27 2008 at 12:11 |
Inferno wrote:
Magma easily win the ^pretentiousness
PS: to the guy that stated having suspicious tough about Gentle Giant...let me clarify something:
For having talking to Gary Green a couple of year ago, they we're suppose to do a reunion in the 90's for their own fun....after only one rehearsal, they abandoned the project. Why? Simply because they couldn't play those songs...too complicated for any musician that haven't played those song for years....
They didn't tried to be like, well, we are that good and our songs are too complicated to be played again you know...not at all, the simple fact of not practicing your instrument is why they can't play like they used to do in the 70's...pure honesty.
No pretentiousness here! |
I think they are all pretty pretentious.
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Inferno
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Posted: September 27 2008 at 12:08 |
Magma easily win the ^pretentiousness
PS: to the guy that stated having suspicious tough about Gentle Giant...let me clarify something:
For having talking to Gary Green a couple of year ago, they we're suppose to do a reunion in the 90's for their own fun....after only one rehearsal, they abandoned the project. Why? Simply because they couldn't play those songs...too complicated for any musician that haven't played those song for years....
They didn't tried to be like, well, we are that good and our songs are too complicated to be played again you know...not at all, the simple fact of not practicing your instrument is why they can't play like they used to do in the 70's...pure honesty.
No pretentiousness here!
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BroSpence
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Posted: September 27 2008 at 02:35 |
Other, RICK WAKEMAN SOLO albums. Except Henry VIII
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: September 27 2008 at 00:11 |
I have to say all these bands.. pretty pretentious.
Stravinsky though, he never let things go over his head. He was always a cool guy, calm, yet decisive.
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Philip
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Posted: June 24 2008 at 10:22 |
I answer Magma, but I must say that I like very much their pretentious atitudes,
Prog bands are said to be pretentious if we think they exagerate in something, as they sometimes do, but prog is exageration too sometimes.
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song_of_copper
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 12:51 |
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tszirmay
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 21:27 |
ELP by a country mile or metric kilometer. And gold medal laureates at that!
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 21:22 |
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song_of_copper
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 15:45 |
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Drew
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SilverEclipse
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 15:24 |
When I think of prog, I just see musicians putting on a great show, live or in your own house through their albums.
You want pretentious.... look at what U2 is nowadays.
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"and if the band your in starts playing different tunes, I'll see you on the dark side of the moon"
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Blacksword
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Posted: June 19 2008 at 12:24 |
song_of_copper wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
These days, I'm afraid, 'imagination' seems to equate to pretense. People like to 'keep it real, yeah'  | I vote in favour of 'keeping it unreal'! I think lots of people feel that escapist entertainment/creative flights of fancy are a bit childish, or that indulging in that stuff keeps you blinkered and blind to 'what's really going on'... But is it really helpful to your understanding of life to only consume 'creative product' that reflects your own immediate surroundings/everyday life experience??! I don't think so... Besides which, as others have pointed out, even the most down-to-earth and 'normal' music can come off as less-than-sincere/overly self-aggrandising, and therefore... pretentious.  |
I vote for unreality too!
I know exactly what you mean about normal bands coming across as pretentious, purely due to their efforts to appear unpretentious. They need to relax a bit, buy themselves a nice Mellotron and just make some chilled spacey prog, instead of writitng whinging crap about being laid..or not, as the case may be. The Smiths are excused, as they done it with wonderful humour and great melodies..
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fuxi
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Posted: June 19 2008 at 08:52 |
I quite like 'Rave on, John Donne', and 'You don't Pull no Punches but you don't Push the River'. INTO THE MUSIC and BEAUTIFUL VISION are another two of my favourite Van the Man albums. But he's still on great form! I saw him live last year, when most of the music was C&W (with a few sublime covers chucked in, such as 'Georgia on my mind') - the concert lasted exactly 88 minutes (as usual these days), but Van's voice is as good as ever and I truly enjoyed it.
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salmacis
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Posted: June 19 2008 at 08:03 |
That period of Van Morrison's career is my favourite- in the 90s, he'd toned down all his 'pretensions' and churned out dull pub blues albums. Give me 'Common One' any day- I tend to feel that is one of the most underrated albums of all time. It's simply beautiful music. But this was one time when he got an absolute drubbing from the press for- you guessed it- being 'pretentious'!
The worst things about 'Pictures...' are the lyrics and the awful bits where Keith Emerson uses that ribbon-controller thing to make some horribly dated sounds. It's a period piece for sure- more so than their other early 70s albums- but I've always liked the album.
As for Magma, I only have one 2-cd anthology which I quite like- I can see why they would be derided as pretentious but it's so genuinely otherworldly I think they just about get away with it. Mars Volta are often more self-indulgent than pretentious IMHO.
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fuxi
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Posted: June 19 2008 at 06:58 |
Well! Salmacis! Some serious analysis, at last!
I do seem to remember Van Morrison got rapped on the knuckles for referring to William Blake, DH Lawrence etc. once too often - but that was about 25 years ago, when he did it a lot, I suppose he was trying to educate himself, there have been few signs of such self-conscious posturing in recent years...
As for ELP: I more or less agree with you. I enjoy most of the early albums (their debut, TARKUS, TRILOGY and BSS) but I can't help thinking poor Greg Lake sounds pretentious AS SOON AS HE OPENS HIS MOUTH, except for a few ballads, it's all in his voice and his delivery I'm afraid... As for PICTURES, I've always thought that was a disaster, and in this case the preposterous lyrics certainly don't help!
Prog-haters will tell you tracks like "Firth of Fifth" or "And You and I" are pretentious, just because they're solemn, ecstatic and out-and-out romantic (things most listeners aren't looking for in rock 'n' roll), but as we all know these performers stir a part of us other bands just cannot reach...
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song_of_copper
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Posted: June 19 2008 at 06:50 |
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Jared
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Posted: June 19 2008 at 06:03 |
although 01001101 is certainly more restrained, I think that Ayreon are in a league of their own in this department.... closely followed by Star One...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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