Robert Plant - Prog?

Do we need a full prog album for xover? Principle of Moments is progish. So are the couple of albums after it.

I genuinely though I read your support for JPs inclusion, nothing to do with your avvy. Sorry if I'm mistaken

Just to finish, Prog has to evolve, we have a lot of genres that prove that like Avant, Rio etc, even Symphonic the conception of Symphonic has evolved from the 70's, but this doesn't justify Justin Bieber or Lady Gaga being added under the excuse of Prog having to evolve (Hyperbole just in case).

Iván

"Sorry" followed by an question mark is not asking for an apology or making some sheepish apology of my own, it is a colloquialism meaning "Pardon?", a figure of speach marking incredulity to your statement: "Please don't say I imply bthings I never said"

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:    We are adding Classic Rock from the 70's, adult contemporary musicians, Indie, alternative, etc, because a few love to see their favorite band here, as if Prog was an award or a certificate of quality.   Who does the evaluation and the addition of the bands here - the Team or the person who suggested the band? If you accuse a band being added here because it is someone's favourite band then the implication is the band was added for that reason and not because the eval team believe the band is Prog. Now if that is not what you meant to say then that's fine, we will move on having had that misunderstanding cleared up. They are humans, they make mistakes, I remember having made a lot, for example, Micky Raff and I believed in a recommendation to send DISCIPLINE to Neo Prog, but at the end thanks to a second revision, we decided to stay with them. Sometimes when a member insists and insists in a band I have doubted, almost felt tempted to accept the band, as a fact at least two times we accepted them and later in agreement with another team, had to move them This is a lot of pressure, and we are humans and able to make mistakes. A proof that the teams are working well, is that this cases are few and often cause a lot of debate, but we don't see this cases daily.

If this is what you really meant then there is nothing of that that can be inferred from the statement you made: "We are adding Classic Rock from the 70's, adult contemporary musicians, Indie, alternative, etc, because a few love to see their favorite band here".

 

However I do not agree with your expanded explanation either. Of course people make mistakes - that's why we have a minimum team size and majority voting and why we stamp down on people putting pressure on teams to get results (even from within the team itself). This minimises the possibility of mistakes but cannot completely irradicate them, however what it does mean is that the kinds of "mistakes" you are referring to here are extremely rare and certainly not on the scale you are implying here - ie ones frequent enough to be noticed. To date I am not aware of any band that was added here solely because they were someone's favourite band - every band added was evaluated and added by due process. You may not agree with some of those additions, but they were not added because a team was put under presure from anyone else.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:   However.... Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Still I'm sure a lot of members agree with the idea I express, just listen them if you don't want to listen me (as usual). don't make this into a personal attack on me. Not a personal attack Dean, I'm not sating your arguments are absurd, I only say I disagree, but honestly I get the impression that you are always there to contradict almost whatever I say in whatever thread...That's not an attack, it's an honest impression. Iván

 

I simply quoted a guy from Amazon who explained JP were the link between traditional heavy metal and prog metal. The fact that my avy is a JP cover has nothing to do with a supposed fierce determination to include them in PA. And remember that they have two albums that are respectively psychedelic hard rock and progressive hard rock.

 

And yes, Robert Plant has strictly nothing to do with prog. Can you point out at least one full prog album by Robert Plant ?

 

4.- I don't accuse the teams of adding their favorite bands, I said many people suggest their favorite bands (We've seen a lot of that) and many times they are added by MISTAKE.

Still I'm sure a lot of members agree with the idea I express, just listen them if you don't want to listen me (as usual).

Please don't say I imply bthings I never said.

Iván

This is opinion (née feeling) presented as fact.

 

The assumption that there ever was a safe distance between Prog and Mainstream is a flawed construct and only really applicable in the wilderness years from the mid 80s through to the early 00s. Throughout the 70s Prog and non-Prog sat comfortably side by side, were on the same label rosta and frequently shared the same bill on tours and festivals. Any demarcation between them is a later invention.

 

It is also extremely insulting to those team members who evaluated and added those artists that you deem to be non-Prog - you cannot say that you "respect the decision of other teams." and then accuse them of adding their favourite bands.