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Points: 11985 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2006 at 07:55
Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

King Crimson - Chelsea
ELP             -  Juventus
Jethro tull   -   Bayern
VDGG        -    Juventus
Gentle Giant - Barcelona


That is so subjective. Your opinion that's all!

King Crimson are influential,that is not the same as successful......
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Points: 1242 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2006 at 07:59
As I said earlier:
"There is to much essential prog bands Tony doesn't like."
 
You are a member of the group of people who are here because they like prog.
 
If you don't like essential prog bands that is what I can't understand.
 
I don't like Dream theatar, Marillion, Ayreon but I don't argue with people who likes them.
 
Sorry if I was rude in earlier post.Embarrassed
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If you notice most of the bands I dislike were at the height of their popularity before I was a teenager. I think that is the key....

There are 2348 bands on the archive. Something for everbody I think!
Comparing Prog Bands to football teams is nonsensical..........................Wink
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Rush is formed in 1968, even earlier then GG, KC, ELP and VDGG  if I'm well informed.Wink
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Their first album was 1974,their first "prog" album was 1976.....Wink Their first album to be given official release in the UK was 1977....need I continue?
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rush must have taken 10 years to hit top gear. Hemispheres was their first very good album :D

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2006 at 08:38
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

Any famous prog bands that you should like, but simply don't?
 


Of the major prog bands who I have listened to extensively:

King Crimson do nothing for me as a whole. Yes, I like odd tracks,who wouldnt with a band with such an extensive catalogue. However because they are part of the Classic Prog scene I always feel slightly guilty for not appreciating them.

ELP are a slightly different case for me as initially I liked them but now I have grown up I find them almost unbearably pretentious. I would be embarrassed if a friend walked in on me whilst I was listening to one of their albums!!

Jethro Tull - too "Hey Nonnie Nonnie" for me. I just cannot find one redeeming feature.Their music seems to go nowhere,slowly.

Gentle Giant - what the heck are they supposed to be? Those bizarre vocal harmonies,and songs about nothing I can understand.No,I have tried and failed to "get" these guys.


VDGG - eek! A combination of all the above. Hammill's vocal delivery drives me potty,the music is ponderous and dreary. Too "old-fashioned".....?



 
So what the hell are you doing at this forum? lol. You obviously don't like real prog. Maybe you like the modern music which has been wrongly been categorised as prog ;)
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Points: 11985 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2006 at 08:40
"real prog"


DEFINE! Smile
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Points: 1242 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2006 at 08:43
Biography by Jason Ankeny


"From allmusic guide"
Rush formed in Toronto, Ontario, in the autumn of 1968, and initially comprised guitarist Alex Lifeson (born Alexander Zivojinovich), vocalist/bassist Geddy Lee (born Gary Lee Weinrib), and drummer John Rutsey.


 
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2006 at 08:44
Real Prog     A form of music not favoured by Admin member Tony R



I found this...hope it helps.
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2006 at 08:45
Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

Biography by Jason Ankeny


"From allmusic guide"
Rush formed in Toronto, Ontario, in the autumn of 1968, and initially comprised guitarist Alex Lifeson (born Alexander Zivojinovich), vocalist/bassist Geddy Lee (born Gary Lee Weinrib), and drummer John Rutsey.


 


You are not proving anything. This has already been shown to be irrelevent,as Rush only became popular here much later.


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Originally posted by progrocks progrocks wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

Any famous prog bands that you should like, but simply don't?
 


Of the major prog bands who I have listened to extensively:

King Crimson do nothing for me as a whole. Yes, I like odd tracks,who wouldnt with a band with such an extensive catalogue. However because they are part of the Classic Prog scene I always feel slightly guilty for not appreciating them.

ELP are a slightly different case for me as initially I liked them but now I have grown up I find them almost unbearably pretentious. I would be embarrassed if a friend walked in on me whilst I was listening to one of their albums!!

Jethro Tull - too "Hey Nonnie Nonnie" for me. I just cannot find one redeeming feature.Their music seems to go nowhere,slowly.

Gentle Giant - what the heck are they supposed to be? Those bizarre vocal harmonies,and songs about nothing I can understand.No,I have tried and failed to "get" these guys.


VDGG - eek! A combination of all the above. Hammill's vocal delivery drives me potty,the music is ponderous and dreary. Too "old-fashioned".....?



 
So what the hell are you doing at this forum? lol. You obviously don't like real prog. Maybe you like the modern music which has been wrongly been categorised as prog ;)
 
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Points: 24440 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2006 at 08:47
Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

Yes, I understand your point.
But we have problem here because the bands he don't like are: Arsenal, Chelsea, Juventus and Real Madrid of prog.LOL
 
Ehm... I wouldn't mention Juventus these days if I were you! Wink It's true they won their 29th Premier League (Serie A) championship last Sunday, but it's also true they're being investigated for a scandal involving, among other things, corruption of referees... They seriously risk being relegated next year - which I, as an AS Roma (very lukewarm) fan, would enjoy immensely!
 
Back IT... I think Tony enjoys quite a lot of bands, and if he doesn't like the "big ones" it doesn't bother me at all. After all, he's a Rush fan!Smile
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Points: 11985 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2006 at 08:48
Originally posted by me me wrote:

heir first album was 1974,their first "prog" album was 1976.....Wink Their first album to be given official release in the UK was 1977....need I continue?




Pero,Progrocks.....


Define real prog!



Oh and Pero,my friend,lets keep this civil.....Wink









Edited by Tony R - May 16 2006 at 08:50
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Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

Gentle Giant - Barcelona
 
Bollocks... Gentle Giant are definitely Everton... too unpredictable and unfashionable. Barcelona are more like Pink Floyd.
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OK, OK   I'm out. Maybe to much low pressure clouds in Zagreb.LOL
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Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

Originally posted by progrocks progrocks wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

Any famous prog bands that you should like, but simply don't?
 


Of the major prog bands who I have listened to extensively:

King Crimson do nothing for me as a whole. Yes, I like odd tracks,who wouldnt with a band with such an extensive catalogue. However because they are part of the Classic Prog scene I always feel slightly guilty for not appreciating them.

ELP are a slightly different case for me as initially I liked them but now I have grown up I find them almost unbearably pretentious. I would be embarrassed if a friend walked in on me whilst I was listening to one of their albums!!

Jethro Tull - too "Hey Nonnie Nonnie" for me. I just cannot find one redeeming feature.Their music seems to go nowhere,slowly.

Gentle Giant - what the heck are they supposed to be? Those bizarre vocal harmonies,and songs about nothing I can understand.No,I have tried and failed to "get" these guys.


VDGG - eek! A combination of all the above. Hammill's vocal delivery drives me potty,the music is ponderous and dreary. Too "old-fashioned".....?



 
So what the hell are you doing at this forum? lol. You obviously don't like real prog. Maybe you like the modern music which has been wrongly been categorised as prog ;)
 
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Actually both of you are wrong. Although I do not necessarily agree with the statements Tony  gives, I can fully understand why he says them. Just the "Nonnie Nonnie" thing about Tull might be a bit misplaced. For the rest, they are his opinions, and as far as I know, they are just as valid as yours . After all who made you the ones to judge which to like to be able to post on the Forum.
 
GG and VdGG ARE difficult groups to get into. Yes does not do that much for me and KC 's 80's era bores me. Camel bores me to death from 1972 until 2020, Elp's first three albums, I love (not the rest , though) , but I find it hard to defend them against anybody attacking prog, and there are plenty more things I do not appreciate. >> you're going to ask the man with 1500 reviews because he does not appreciate the "Biggies" unconditionally (as you so plainly indicate that it should be the prime requisite) to also get out of the forum?
 
Because this sure sounds like this is also what you are asking of Tony.........
 
Just in case: I still like Caravan, 70's Genesis , Floyd , GG , VdGG>> can I stay now,
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Points: 1242 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2006 at 09:16
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

Originally posted by progrocks progrocks wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

Any famous prog bands that you should like, but simply don't?
 


Of the major prog bands who I have listened to extensively:

King Crimson do nothing for me as a whole. Yes, I like odd tracks,who wouldnt with a band with such an extensive catalogue. However because they are part of the Classic Prog scene I always feel slightly guilty for not appreciating them.

ELP are a slightly different case for me as initially I liked them but now I have grown up I find them almost unbearably pretentious. I would be embarrassed if a friend walked in on me whilst I was listening to one of their albums!!

Jethro Tull - too "Hey Nonnie Nonnie" for me. I just cannot find one redeeming feature.Their music seems to go nowhere,slowly.

Gentle Giant - what the heck are they supposed to be? Those bizarre vocal harmonies,and songs about nothing I can understand.No,I have tried and failed to "get" these guys.


VDGG - eek! A combination of all the above. Hammill's vocal delivery drives me potty,the music is ponderous and dreary. Too "old-fashioned".....?



 
So what the hell are you doing at this forum? lol. You obviously don't like real prog. Maybe you like the modern music which has been wrongly been categorised as prog ;)
 
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That's what I a'm trying to say. Thanks for help
 
Pero, PR,
 
 
Actually both of you are wrong. Although I do not necessarily agree with the statements Tony  gives, I can fully understand why he says them. Just the "Nonnie Nonnie" thing about Tull might be a bit misplaced. For the rest, they are his opinions, and as far as I know, they are just as valid as yours . After all who made you the ones to judge which to like to be able to post on the Forum.
 
GG and VdGG ARE difficult groups to get into. Yes does not do that much for me and KC 's 80's era bores me. Camel bores me to death from 1972 until 2020, Elp's first three albums, I love (not the rest , though) , but I find it hard to defend them against anybody attacking prog, and there are plenty more things I do not appreciate. >> you're going to ask the man with 1500 reviews because he does not appreciate the "Biggies" unconditionally (as you so plainly indicate that it should be the prime requisite) to also get out of the forum?
 
Because this sure sounds like this is also what you are asking of Tony.........
 
Just in case: I still like Caravan, 70's Genesis , Floyd , GG , VdGG>> can I stay now,
pleaeaeaeaeaease??Big smile
 
Pretty pleaeaease??Cry
Wink
 
 
 
 
 

Here I am again.

I also don't like Camel, Genesis after Lab lies is boring, KC until Starless and bible black, but you have to like some period of "big" prog bands, because if you dont you are just pretending to like prog.
 
You can stay if you say that you like ELP! (love beach not included) LOL
 
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Points: 4702 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2006 at 09:25
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

"real prog"


DEFINE! Smile
 
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Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

"real prog"


DEFINE! Smile
 
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