Saddam's execution

Knowing that when Saddam killed the Kurds in the early 80s, he did it with US weapons and support, and also know that before the Gulf war started, the UN had sanctions on the country and there was evidence that the sanctions were working, yet Bush still declared war on an already devastated country, How do you feel about his death?

jalas wrote: Knowing that when Saddam killed the Kurds in the early 80s, he did it with US weapons and support, and also know that before the Gulf war started, the UN had sanctions on the country and there was evidence that the sanctions were working, yet Bush still declared war on an already devastated country, How do you feel about his death?   Although I think he was a very bad man, there was no justice in what just happened since Saddam was pretty much stabbed in the back by his ex-friend, the US.  Carter and Reagan are just as guilty for Saddam's crimes.  They should have just kept him in prison for life, or until Bush was put on trial and sentenced to death also for killing more Iraqis than Saddam ever did.  IF you want to play by the rules then lets play fair.   History is written by the victors.

I think you have a very INTERESTING way of twisting things to support your beliefs by placing guilt in places it doesn't occur.


You use similar logic to (example) blaming deaths on guns rather than on the people themselves, and while I might agree with some of what you say, you use a twisted logic to push a political agenda that I wouldn't support.

Ricochet wrote: don't know what's different by this, maybe I'm mistaking, but we've already had a topic on saddam's execution and it got in the end closed thanks to the usual driving off away (that usually happens in heated subjects, particularly politics ones).

True, true, my previous discussion came hours after his death, and it was shut down because people just can't seem to say kosher when talking of politics.

Oh, and Madcaplaughs84, it would be pretty hard to give Reagan the death penalty, seeing as he is already dead

Rain over wet

Edited by markosherrera - January 12 2007 at 19:09

TheProgtologist wrote: This thread was done before,and was closed because it degenerated. I will leave this open for now but will be watching this thread VERY closely.

Yeah,eye of eagle with this thread.

My 22 cents worth of useless biased opinion.

1. I'm against the death penalty

2. I think Sadam deserved to be punished severly.

3. Saddam's trial wasn't a trial, but a staged show, and the outcome was already known to all.

4. Saddam's victims have not been done justice. Saddam is killed for the murder of 142 (don't know the number excactly)civilians, the other killings he is not convicted for, and can't be convicted for (he deserves to defend himself in court, so other accusations can't be properly trialed) so the other thousands of victims of his brute regime stand empty handed (they may feel happy for his death, but that's all they have, no justice done to their case against him)

5. His fast execution is suspicios to say the least. The Americans wanted him dead before the year was over
a:
(to avoid it being incorporated in the year-review of 2006, and of course it won't be in the one for 2007 since it happened in 2006)
b:
Other reason is of course to have Saddam out of the way, and not being able to speak about American help he got while the genocide took place (Saddam didn't talk about that yet, since he was playing for Arabic and Muslim sympathy, to acknowledge aid from America would estrange him from that sympathy)
c: to get the subject dealt with and move on to the next target. which of course is Iran, to pressure Iran there will be sended more troops to Irague (which borders on Iran) and already the Iranian embassy has been attacked. So now you know why the extra troops are needed in Iraq.

6. The filming of the event and broadcasting is also highly strange.

To get back on another aspect of the initial post:

why aren't the leaders of America prosecuted for their involvement in the genocides that took place under Saddam's regime, well the answer is simple as stated earlier, the history is written by the conquerors, so America can choose which history they want preserved.

however if it was up to me, i would make it mandatory to bring world leaders to court after their reign is over to judge on how they've done. If they've done well in the eyes of the world we can declare them to be saints, but if they did wrong they can be imprisond for their mistakes, that would make them more causios when making big pottentially dangerous decisions.

anyway.

Saddam will be missed by the ones who suppert him, and not so much by the ones who don't.

I guess I wanted to start a new thread on Saddam because of how sad his execution actually made me feel.  This is not a matter of how bad Saddam was but a thread to discuss justice.  Saddams trial was not the only travesty out there, but since it's the most recent one, it shows how we still can trust the justice system, no matter what country you are in. 

It's naive to say that Saddam thought the U.S. was "his friend." Don't base any judgement on that belief.

I'm not very upset that he was executed but rather that people I know personally celebrated it, joked about it and wanted to watch videos of it. How ugly is that? We think down on so many of the people in the middle east, though we may deny it, call them barbarians and so on, and we want to see someone die in real life. A death is a death. Saddam may have "deserved it," but it was just such a disgusting act.

I agree with stonebeard as well.