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    Posted: January 22 2007 at 06:50
Once upon a time (in the  early 60's) the Barron Knights could be relied on to come up with singles hits in the UK, each of which consisted of 4 or 5 piece of current hits with alternative lyrics. The "joke" wore off fairly quickly and besides the jokes didn't travel too well. In the 80's Weird Al Yankovic in the USA and the Heebee Geebees in the UK, did a  far better job. Weird Al is still active and there are some gems in his back catalogue although the pictures on the associated video are most important to his music. My favourites are the RHCP's patiche Bedrock and the very clever take on Dylan's Subterranean Homesick Blues with every line  a palindrome. However, I do believe the Phil Pope-lead HBGB's  had the edge wrt cleverness but because of legal action didn't get passed a second (very quickly deleted) LP. The Heebees were first heard on the BBC Radio 4 comedy series Radioactive (one of those post-Python Oxbridge derived shows), when each week Phil Pope (with Angus Deaton and others) came up with an often, wonderul piss-take on a hit of the time (Pope's lyrics to a tune sort of based on Squeeze's Up The Junction - Up The Duff - was a masterpiece of comedy, e.g.  "When I saw the swell of her belly, rubbery like Pirelli, wobbly like a jelly, a look like Lisa Minelli", etc, and the punchline : "I took always precautions, I gave them a false name"). They eventually  had a minor hit with the Beegees parody The Meaningless Song (In Very High Voices). An album followed Never Mind The Originals Here's The Heebee Geebees, of which the Status Quo (here Status Quid) Boring Song is a real gem. Apparently a second album was released but was on the shelves of record shops in the UK for less than 24 hours before a court injunction , made them pull those records off those shelves. Rumour had it that an unamused Sting or Phil Collins or others acted as the plaintiffs (the tunes apparently contained lyrics too close to the truth....). BTW if you have the second Heebees' album it should be worth a few bob. However, the court injunction didn't stop Pope and co continuing with their parodies on Radioactive - and there are two relatively safe ones on the Radioactive LP, BBC Enterprises issued in the late 80's or early 90's. As the Heebees were essentially developed for radio, visual images are not important and you are left to your own devices to come up with any related pictures.
 
Now of course many other bands did patiches - I always wondered why Neil Innes & Co never got sued for Beatles plaguarism for the Rutles soundtrack - but I suppose having George Harrison involvement in that project helped.
 
 
So what is you favourite musical parody/patiche/satire?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2007 at 07:07
Todd Rundgren did a few of these sort of things. There was the first side of 'Faithful', which was exactly that- pretty much note perfect cover versions of Beatles, Hendrix and The Beach Boys songs. One wonders why he did it, but there you go...(but the 2nd side has the mesmerising 'The Verb To Love', maybe his best ever track, imho anyway)

He did it again then with Utopia on the album 'Deface The Music' in the 1980s, which is a blatant attempt to clone The Beatles' sound with new songs.

I love the one on the 10cc album 'The Original Soundtrack' called 'The Film Of Our Love'. I've heard some people criticise that track for being a syrupy ballad, but I think they missed the point- look at the lyrics which piles on ridiculously over the top (and very amusing) innuendos and double entendres and see that they weren't taking it seriously, and were lampooning the syrupy ballads of the crooners.
    
And not forgetting XTC's project under the pseudonym 'Dukes Of Stratosphere'. As a UK psych fan myself, I remember the first time I heard '25 O' Clock'- I thought it was some long lost holy grail UK pop psych single from the 60s. Even the production seemed so 60s- but I was very surprised when it was XTC in disguise. Of course the band are psych fans, I believe, and were doubtless paying tribute.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2007 at 07:17
Weird Al Yankovich's conversion of Bohemian Rhapsody (complete with full on Broadway musical ending) is always guaranteed to make me fall about laughing; not to mention his version of The Offspring's Pretty Fly For A White Guy (Pretty Fly For A Rabbi - "and all the goyim say he's pretty fly for a Rabbi").

Would you consider Hayseed Dixie as parody/pastiche?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2007 at 09:21
Interesting Sal you mentioning Todd Rundgren in this context - the other truly solo recordist of the early 70's (i.e. played every instrument on some releases), was Emitt Rhodes who was supposed to be Beatle-like (can't lay my fingers on an album to find out for myself. And just been reading about Klaatu's Beatle-like compositions. However, some writers do take this "Beatle-likeness" a bit too far, for instance  Stackridge - even on their George Martin produced album I have problems hearing similarities. Then there was the Moles who were supposed to be the Beatles, but turned out to be the future 10cc. And now trying to remember the name of an English band of the early 80's, who's vocalist was a dead ringer for Lennon, and both sides of of their own single might have been forgotten Beatle tunes from the 8 Days A Week period.
 
Pastiche v parody? A patiche is probably associated with being a tribute without any sarcastic overtones, a parody something less gentle and more cutting. For instance the Rutles goes further wrt parody, and  is a rather surreal satire on the Beatles. However, let's haul down the English dictionary for clarification (from Chambers):
 
Parody: "burlesque imitation"
Pastiche: "made up of bits of other works or imitations of another's style"
 
I would suggest Spocks Beard regularly did pastiches...............
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2007 at 09:56
I agree on Stackridge- I'd never thought of them as being Beatle-esque. But when it comes to that Utopia album, it really was a Beatles pastiche. Again, I didn't really see the point because Rundgren and Utopia had written these Beatle-esque songs without any humour in them.

Klaatu's debut apparently caused something of a stir when it came to 'is it The Beatles'. One of their tracks was covered by The Carpenters and they had a big hit with it.

ELO are another one that sort of got that 'Beatle clone' tag- indeed John Lennon apparently said 'if The Beatles had existed in the 70s, we'd have sounded like ELO'. Not being a fan of ELO, that doesn't bear thinking about, imho.

I think Starcastle were the biggest prog pastiche I know of... Spock's Beard I rather like but have been a bit disappointed with their last few albums which seem to deal in mainstream rock/AOR cliches rather than prog cliches...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2007 at 11:22
Originally posted by salmacis salmacis wrote:

Todd Rundgren did a few of these sort of things. There was the first side of 'Faithful', which was exactly that- pretty much note perfect cover versions of Beatles, Hendrix and The Beach Boys songs. One wonders why he did it, but there you go...(but the 2nd side has the mesmerising 'The Verb To Love', maybe his best ever track, imho anyway)

He did it again then with Utopia on the album 'Deface The Music' in the 1980s, which is a blatant attempt to clone The Beatles' sound with new songs.

I love the one on the 10cc album 'The Original Soundtrack' called 'The Film Of Our Love'. I've heard some people criticise that track for being a syrupy ballad, but I think they missed the point- look at the lyrics which piles on ridiculously over the top (and very amusing) innuendos and double entendres and see that they weren't taking it seriously, and were lampooning the syrupy ballads of the crooners.
    
And not forgetting XTC's project under the pseudonym 'Dukes Of Stratosphere'. As a UK psych fan myself, I remember the first time I heard '25 O' Clock'- I thought it was some long lost holy grail UK pop psych single from the 60s. Even the production seemed so 60s- but I was very surprised when it was XTC in disguise. Of course the band are psych fans, I believe, and were doubtless paying tribute.
The Dukes of Stratosphere did a second album which is more of a normal XTC album than the first, but it does contain a wonderful Beach Boys tribute (sorry, I forget the name of the track at the moment) which could be something left off "Pet Sounds" or "Smile".
 
And don't forget "Alberto y Los Trios Paranoias" who did a Quo piss-take back in the 70s called "Heads down no-nonsense mindless boogie".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2007 at 04:58
Actually I reviewed all of Stackridge's album as I introduced them and I find that there vis a strong Beatles similarity.
 
Pastiche has always been a side-specialty of prog: from Zappa to Beefheart  and from 10 CC to Queen (I know the last two are only prog-related).
 
For me the distinction between Pastiche and Parody is a bit too minute to make a difference. Or for that matter a satyre too.
 
Am I being sarcastic or sardonic, here?
 
 
BTW, I am viewing The Rutles tonight for the first time ever.
 
but is there a difference between Zappa's We"re Only In It For The Money
 or The Rutles' All You Need Is Ca$h?
 
 
 
But let's not confuse pastiche with clone bands like Starcastle or Druid, though
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2007 at 05:07
An excellent example for parody is Robert Calvert's album "Lucky Leif and the Longships", in which each track parodies a different musical style, from reggae over folk song, electronic loop experiments, surf music (you will just love the "Ba- ba- barbarians" chorus), bar jazz, funk, shanty and more.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2007 at 05:27
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Actually I reviewed all of Stackridge's album as I introduced them and I find that there vis a strong Beatles similarity.
 
Pastiche has always been a side-specialty of prog: from Zappa to Beefheart  and from 10 CC to Queen (I know the last two are only prog-related).
 
For me the distinction between Pastiche and Parody is a bit too minute to make a difference. Or for that matter a satyre too.
 
Am I being sarcastic or sardonic, here?
 
 
BTW, I am viewing The Rutles tonight for the first time ever.
 
but is there a difference between Zappa's We"re Only In It For The Money
 or The Rutles' All You Need Is Ca$h?
 
 
 
But let's not confuse pastiche with clone bands like Starcastle or Druid, though
 
Maybe 'piss-take' or "send-up" ought to be employed as well. Whatever the term, Zappa was knocking the hippy ethos in WOIIFTM - music  of the period but distinctly Zapparesque, lyrics much less friendly - and of course that cover. The Rutles is a TV film mockumentary, done in the grand tradition of Monty Python (but according to Michael Palin's Diary, I'm currently reading, with a much bigger budget than even Jabberwocky had). The combination of pictures, words and parody musicprobably means there is a lot more than a great comedy, just below the surface which is being satirised etc.: the 60's, the excesses of the period, the music, band rivalry.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2007 at 06:15
 
 
The Bonzo (Dooh Dah) Dog Band did a lot of excellent pastiches of a lot of different genres (rock,jazz, ckassical, songwriters) Gifted muiscians BTW Vic Stanshall, Neill Innes, hilarious lyrics.
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2007 at 08:11
I supppose I'd just be lowering the tone of the thread if I mentioned the Rolf Harris cover of Stairway to Heaven?  Not for nothing do they call him the Jimmy Page of the wobble board...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2007 at 08:44
Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

I supppose I'd just be lowering the tone of the thread if I mentioned the Rolf Harris cover of Stairway to Heaven?  Not for nothing do they call him the Jimmy Page of the wobble board...
  
 
I suspect we will have find yet another term - "tribute"? - for this; btw how was it billed originally on Australian TV. Apart from the album of the Austrialian TV Stairways "tributes", there is download floating on the web that  brings the total to around 110 covers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2007 at 09:24
I liked the Bonzo Dog Band's parody (though I'm not usually a fan of theirs) 'Can Blue Men Sing The Whites' in the wake of the 'can white men sing the blues' controversy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2007 at 09:30
I have always been a fan of the epic "Meet The Residents" coverLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2007 at 09:38
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

I supppose I'd just be lowering the tone of the thread if I mentioned the Rolf Harris cover of Stairway to Heaven?  Not for nothing do they call him the Jimmy Page of the wobble board...
  
 
I suspect we will have find yet another term - "tribute"? - for this; btw how was it billed originally on Australian TV. Apart from the album of the Austrialian TV Stairways "tributes", there is download floating on the web that  brings the total to around 110 covers.
 
I thought of it more as an affectionate piss-take myself (in similar vein to several other novelty cover versions e.g. the Mike Flowers Pops "lounge" version of Wonderwall). 
 
Doing "lounge" cover versions of popular songs from other styles has become a bit of an industry in itself with a number of acts who seem to specialise in it.  Then there are other variants on this genre transference idea - for instance I've got (somewhere) an album called Metalliska consisting of ska bands covering heavy metal songs (by and large not very successfully).  Or putting the boot on the other foot, how about an album of Christmas carols by extreme metal bands:
 
 
Mixed results there...
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2007 at 09:47
The mention of Wonderwall, has me also thinking that rather good Rock Also Swings album by Paul Anka - which amazingly demonstraed the grunge of Nirvana's Teenspirit  really could swing. But that album was a covers album done in a particular and unexpected style, rather that being labelled with any other tag - except if taking Herbie Hancock's lead by interpreting "new standards".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2007 at 10:23

Not familar with the Anka...sounds intriguing.

I'm getting a bit off-topic, but here's quite a good article on the cover version phenomenon from Wikipedia:

 
It doesn't go into the labyrinthine subject of covers in jazz which is proably for the best.  In passing my favourite album of jazz covers of pop music is by the Justin Morrell Quintet - The Music of Steely Dan - top notch post-bop rather than any kind of cheesy "smooth jazz".  Not the only straight jazz take on the Dan's music but a really good one.
 
 
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