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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2007 at 15:01
Originally posted by Hatters Hatters wrote:

Stop your complaining darksideof. I'm only 17 and would kill to go back in time to see Pick Floyd, Yes Zappa etc.
Just be happy that you got to see good bands no matter what they played.
Yeah darksideof stop being evilAngry The poor kid. I only started to go and see bands in `77 and I didn`t even get to see some bands I would have liked to such as  Gentle Giant, Hawkwind , Focus ,Babe Ruth and tons of others. I `d sit through Excerpt`s from Octopus over and over if I had the chance. As for the original topic. As others have pointed out it`s not the band`s fault they have to play songs over and over. I played in a couple of cover bands and believe me I had to play stuff that I never want to even hear ever again. ever!! I`ve been to see Rush about 6 or 7 times and Neil Peart`s drum solos bore me to tears. I always find myself rolling my eyes and saying to myself Unhappy :Please God not again. I`ve seen Dennis Chambers a few times with different artists and he always comes up with something different in a solo. Oh noShocked I said something bad about Rush againShocked Bring on the hate PMs!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2007 at 21:07
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by Hatters Hatters wrote:

Stop your complaining darksideof. I'm only 17 and would kill to go back in time to see Pick Floyd, Yes Zappa etc.
Just be happy that you got to see good bands no matter what they played.
Yeah darksideof stop being evilAngry The poor kid. I only started to go and see bands in `77 and I didn`t even get to see some bands I would have liked to such as  Gentle Giant, Hawkwind , Focus ,Babe Ruth and tons of others. I `d sit through Excerpt`s from Octopus over and over if I had the chance. As for the original topic. As others have pointed out it`s not the band`s fault they have to play songs over and over. I played in a couple of cover bands and believe me I had to play stuff that I never want to even hear ever again. ever!! I`ve been to see Rush about 6 or 7 times and Neil Peart`s drum solos bore me to tears. I always find myself rolling my eyes and saying to myself Unhappy :Please God not again. I`ve seen Dennis Chambers a few times with different artists and he always comes up with something different in a solo. Oh noShocked I said something bad about Rush againShocked Bring on the hate PMs!

No need for PMs. Just understanding. That you lack taste. But that's OK. We do ...Big%20smile

P.S. this could all be resolved if groups posted a set list on each ticket, therefore advising possible buyers of what they're in for. The Stones playing Satisfaction - ohno, Pink FLoyd playing Money - god save me, King Crimson playing 21st Century Man, l hope they do as good a job as April WIne LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2007 at 21:34
I do not know where is Atavachron located, because I will see Tull on the first of June. Tickets sell for 34 € (unique price). I will pay no transaction fee, no commission since it is an 8,000 seats capacity and I anticipate, at best, half the concert hall will be filled. Last time I saw Tull in Brussels, we were 2,000 of us so it should not be a problem. And yes, I hope they will play Aqualung. And I can tell you, I'm not a Tull casual fan (I've reviewed their entire catalogue on PA).
 
I go and see Purple tomorrow and even if I have never really liked "Smoke...", I know they will play it and I will have to overcome my disgust of the audience participation shouting : Smoooke on the waaaaaater... But I can understand that lots of people go for this (in my case, I am completely nuts when I hear the intro for Highway Star).
 
I guess that a lot of people are like me. Actually, starting tomorrow, I will start an incredible month. After Purple and Tull, I have my ticket for the Stones (5th of June - 65 €). I'm not going there to hear "Satisfaction" but to see a legend. Like on June 8th, when I'll go and see The Who and I hope to get as much Tommy songs as possible.
 
On June 11th, I'll go ans see Mrs. Patti Smith. Usually, her concerts are phenomenal and she ranks Brussels audience as the craziest she knows and yes, I hope to hear "
Free Money, Gloria etc. Because her first album is one of the greatest one I know.
 
This incredible period will end up on June 18th ith Lou Reed. Even if I know that he will be playing "Berlin" in its entirety I hope we'll get "Heroin", "I'm Waiting For The Man" etc.
 
We go and attend concerts to hear what we like the most. For legendary bands out of the seventies, let's face the truth : the best of their repertoire is not ahead, so it is rather logical that they play some oldies. It is also a way for us, the old fans, to remind our youth even if this feeling might sound ... childish.
 
Of course, in the case of Tull, I would love to hear Baker Street Muse, but I know I will not since they have never played it live (I was even ot able to get an unofficial version for it and I have access to about 40 boots from them).
 
And by the way, Gilmour has played "Money" over 800 times. And even if I do not like this song very much, he is just giving pleasure to the majority of the audience.
 
So if some Tull (or others) DVD, live CD's contains some numbers you are fed up with, there is an easy thing to do : press next (as I used to say in my reviews). But you have to understand that these bands are not releasing material for your own personal taste. They want to sell their products to the majority and therefore, listed their classics everybody want to hear.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2007 at 23:07
They want to sell their products to the majority and therefore, listed their classics everybody want to hear.!!!
I Guess Frappa was right 30 years ago when he said:
Zappa's "We are here only for the money".
The world end for me when art becomes products.!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2007 at 23:27

In your analogy you forgot one important point.  While you have the right to create what you want your client has the right not buy it and if enough people stop buying you have to find something else to do to make money.  The same for these bands. Sure they pick what they choose to play but if people don't like it they won't come back.

 


Do you assume the majority of crowds who see 70's prog bands are like us or post on sites like this?  Far from it!  We are in such a small minority it isn't even funny.  The only places you will find such crowds is Festivals or concerts of bands such as The Flower Kings, Spock's Beard and Porcupine Tree.  (That is the only place where new music isn't only accepted it is expected!)

 

Many people when hearing a band is going to play a new song of a 70-'s legend (and this is not just limited to prog) choose that time to go the snack bar or take a piss break.  I have seen it time and time again. They only know the band by their hits and they endure the rest to hear the hits.  I blame it on classic rock radio conditioning.  So while you are maybe well versed in Yes's catalog there are people who only know Roundabout, All Good People and Owner of a Lonely Heart and I would guess that a large majority of the audience is made up of them.

 
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Well like I said earlier the client hires me because they all ready knows my work ethics and apreciated my talent and styles. Also there is something call contract!! just incase they don't want to pay by saying they don't like. Also if I have the mentally that you have I problably will be working doing something else because believe it wasn't easy and still isn't easy for me to make money doing Art. However that the beauty behind it you are free to do what you want with out the fear of being a sale out or a to live for the money. Look at the master Vincent van gogh never sold an painter in his life. Now his painting worth millions and his name is in art history book ,just because money wasn't his focus in his life. Well 70's rock muisicians defently ( NOT FRIPP) these days are millionaires because their art because products and Sales ( not art) is the keys of their success. down the end They'll be thinking and laughfui all the way down to the big banks accounts.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2007 at 02:21
Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by ClassicRocker ClassicRocker wrote:

 Nowadays many bands still tour, yet the prices can be outrageous (I don't have $200 to see Tull!)



where are you having to pay that amount to see Tull? They're one of the most frequently touring classic prog bands, and tickets don't usually run higher than 40 or 50 dollars in the U.S... even scalpers wouldn't try charging $200 for Tull.





 
I paid $65 a piece for Tull in October in Thousand Oaks, Ca. After Ticketmaster applied a $24 venue fee and $3 handling Fee and $2.50 delivery fee  I almost paid $100 per ticket. Confused
 
Interesting. I was twice on Jethro tull in Zagreb. First time 1974 and second 2000. The price was cca 30$
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2007 at 02:27
Originally posted by darksideof darksideof wrote:

They want to sell their products to the majority and therefore, listed their classics everybody want to hear.!!!
I Guess Frappa was right 30 years ago when he said:
Zappa's "We are here only for the money".
The world end for me when art becomes products.!!!!
 
In the middle age church sell false artefacts of saints.
 
Wait until in 20-30 years someone on e-bay start to sell Hendrix teeth.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2007 at 04:17
Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

Originally posted by darksideof darksideof wrote:

They want to sell their products to the majority and therefore, listed their classics everybody want to hear.!!!
I Guess Frappa was right 30 years ago when he said:
Zappa's "We are here only for the money".
The world end for me when art becomes products.!!!!
 
In the middle age church sell false artefacts of saints.
 
Wait until in 20-30 years someone on e-bay start to sell Hendrix teeth.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2007 at 10:54
Originally posted by Prog.Sylvie Prog.Sylvie wrote:

Three weeks ago, I saw Al Stewart in a small venue. Very nice show. Al told us, that every night, it's a different show, because he has something like 175 songs that he can play for us. Of course, he does not forget "Year of The Cat" or " Road to Moscow", but he likes to change from show to another.

 
About ELP: why seeing them three nights in a row ? I saw them in january 1993 in a small venue. It was a good show, but I did not feel to see them again the next day, even if I was a fan. ( and I am still a fan...).       


say them 3 nights over a two week period in October 1992, so I didn't see them on 3 concurrent nights.

I did see VdGG on 3 concurrent nights last month and loved every second of it.

Maybe i'm an obsessive fan (or energy Vampyre Evil%20Smile as PH would say)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2007 at 14:10
I`m not really that terrified about going to see Jethro Tull in Montréal since they`re apparently (according to the poster) toning down and presenting what`s billed as an acoustic/electric show. I think I read a review of this show performed in Helsinki, Finland and it was more or less positive. Also they`re playing in a building here that`s the home of the Montréal Symphony Orchestra. I saw Crimson play there a few years back and it was wierd because in the other concert hall in the same complex a concert of chamber music was being presented and as usual Crimson played freakin`loud. 
I really don`t care Tull plays since I haven`t seen them for over ten years. I`ll just pretend I`m going to a classical recital.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2007 at 14:29
Siberian khatru is the only one I can think of... Starship trooper always changes, very cool!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2007 at 15:36
Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by ClassicRocker ClassicRocker wrote:

 Nowadays many bands still tour, yet the prices can be outrageous (I don't have $200 to see Tull!)



where are you having to pay that amount to see Tull? They're one of the most frequently touring classic prog bands, and tickets don't usually run higher than 40 or 50 dollars in the U.S... even scalpers wouldn't try charging $200 for Tull.





 
I paid $65 a piece for Tull in October in Thousand Oaks, Ca. After Ticketmaster applied a $24 venue fee and $3 handling Fee and $2.50 delivery fee  I almost paid $100 per ticket. Confused
 
Interesting. I was twice on Jethro tull in Zagreb. First time 1974 and second 2000. The price was cca 30$
 
Wow, well maybe the theatre around here has something to do with the prices(?)
 
In any case, if the tickets were affordable for me, i would still kill to see Tull live on matter what they played. Aqualung, TAAB excerpts, Living in the past, a new day yesterday, etc it's all good
 
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