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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2008 at 15:49
Originally posted by mellors mellors wrote:



is the best 21st Century prog cover for me


I agree Mellors, that is a great cover. Storm still has it IMO. Clap

On a wider point, I too see the influence left by Hipgnosis and particularly Storm Thorgerson in some of the cover art of today. It's good that so many contemporary artists acknowledge the great depth of vision the proceeding generation of designers had. As Robert Fripp once said "We advance by coming from."

 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2008 at 15:57
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I think  this stuff is trying waaaaaaaaaay too hard. I mean, that last one with the bird formation formed into the shape of a butterfly, c`mon it looks like some sort of cover you would find on the of some Windham Hill new age album from 1983. Then again, I`m from the mid 16th century when Roger Dean and Hipgnosis were the rage. Also these bands, save for Marillion aren`t even porgrock bands.


actually many of the covers posted are much like the sort of designs Hipgnosis was coming up with at the time, though these may not be quite as edgy


That's certainly a thought Atavachron. Would you be happy to post some contemporary examples of cover art you think might better fit the bill?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2008 at 17:02
Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Originally posted by sigod sigod wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I think  this stuff is trying waaaaaaaaaay too hard. I mean, that last one with the bird formation formed into the shape of a butterfly, c`mon it looks like some sort of cover you would find on the of some Windham Hill new age album from 1983. Then again, I`m from the mid 16th century when Roger Dean and Hipgnosis were the rage. Also these bands, save for Marillion aren`t even porgrock bands.


Let me get this straight, are you saying that Porcupine Tree, Frost, Kino, etc are NOT Prog rock bands? Confused


Firstly, nice to see you back, Sigod Clap

Secondly, that etc. includes The Jelly Jam, and I'd like to know if VB believes they're not prog either.


I think it would be best to just agree with VB that these groups are not "porg" Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2008 at 19:07
Looks like ECM covers meets Fantasia.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2008 at 21:33
Tool/Alex Grey covers


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2008 at 05:59
Of course, Tool! How could I have over looked them? Thanks KoS.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2008 at 06:12


Technically not prog, but a really nice concept: The album comes with a little "filter lense" which reveals images hidden in the grey lines.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2008 at 06:26
That's cool Mike, shame we can see the image here. I think Lou Reed did something similar with one of his post 'New York' albums.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2008 at 06:51
^ well that's one more incentive to buy the album, just like Tool and their 3D stereoscopic lenses on 10,000 days. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2008 at 09:39
Heh, yes indeed Mike. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2008 at 10:14
I'll post some of my favourites.














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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2008 at 10:49
I have just have one more thing to add and then I`m bailing out of this disscussion on "porg" album art. As I mentioned on page one of the thread on my lunch hour yesterday I showed that Butterfly graphic by Storm T to a friend and she remarked that it was cute and looked like something her 7 year old daughter would create in art class at school. Now, I hooked up with one of my old flying buddies last night and couldn`t resist. I had the butterfly picture folded up in my pocket and took it out and showed it to him  Here`s an abridged version of our conversation:
I said " Dave, what do you make of this?" Immediately he replied " looks like something some ( fill in the blank ) would paint. I said, " C`mon ****head  it was done by a 7 year old girl on her computer in her art class, I think it`s quite nice." He the took another look at it and said ," Isn`t it incredible what the kids can do on computers today. This kid is going places. " Blah blah blah
You get the gist. My point is that you guys are reading too much into this stuff. We`re not talking  Vincent van Gogh, Edvard Munch, Pablo Pcasso or even Francis Bacon here. It`s rock album art. ROCK FREAKING ALBUM ART Don`t read too much into it or take it too seriously for freak sake! there! Have fun with the rest of your deepest of deep musings.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2008 at 12:10
^That sounds like you were fishing for a specific answer and so deliberatly lied to the guy to get it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2008 at 13:16
Actually, I wrote about the butterfly cover in my school Art project. I think you're missing the point - it is for the song "Butterflies and Hurricanes", which is referring to the chaos theory. This image also refers to it. If you're not familiar, the idea is that a small thing can elevate into something huge, like the flapping of a butterfly's wing making a small change in the atmosphere and that change elevating and causing, or preventing, a hurricane on the other side of the world. Here, many butterflies (small), form together to make a huge one.

It's a simple idea, it's true, but I somehow doubt a 7-year-old would be able to come up with the idea AND carry it out. It is, after all, perfect for the song, and that is surely what covers are about?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2008 at 13:17
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

^That sounds like you were fishing for a specific answer and so deliberatly lied to the guy to get it.

I simply pulled the picture out of my pocket and simply said " Dave, what do you make of this?" I wasn`t fishing for any specific answer. If he would have said "that`s genius", I would have have come back here and said that. But I am going to just remain a spectator here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2008 at 16:12
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

^That sounds like you were fishing for a specific answer and so deliberatly lied to the guy to get it.

I simply pulled the picture out of my pocket and simply said " Dave, what do you make of this?" I wasn`t fishing for any specific answer. If he would have said "that`s genius", I would have have come back here and said that. But I am going to just remain a spectator here.

Yes, and you also said " I said, " C`mon ****head  it was done by a 7 year old girl on her computer in her art class". His following answer that you posted was basd entirely on this information, which we know is a lie because its a Storm Thorgerson (sp?) cover. His impression of the artist is wrong because you gave him fals information. Besides, I don't know any under 12 that could manipulate a photoshop type programe so well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2008 at 20:13

I've been mulling this over for the past day or so and have to agree (in part) with Ian. There is something "wrong" with the butterfly image. But it's not Storm Thorgerson - it is actually a good piece and as someone who has used Photoshop for the past 8 or 9 years I can say that it has been executed with a lot more subtlety of scale and perspective than most people could manage, regardless of age. (the only defense I can offer is if you don't believe me have a go yourself - it isn't that easy to achieve that effect)

The problem is Photoshop. Photoshop is responsible for two damaging effects: 1) It has made artists lazy and 2) it has made the viewer complacent.

if you compare it with an earlier Thorgerson work using the same techniques:

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You can see that from there, he didn't have to stretch himself too far to come up with the Muse image and I don't think the butterfly shape is a particularly good or realistic one (but then neither is the tree Wink). Photoshop just makes it too easy for both the artist and the viewer. No longer do we sit an puzzle-out how he did it, or be amazed at the scale of the task involved, we just look at it and go "Oh, Photoshop" and move on.
 
Yet I don't believe Thorgerson has got worse, or his work is suffering in quality. The Mars Volta Francis cover is highly referential and derivative, but it was meant to be (it's a direct reference to Magritte and an oblique reference to Pink Floyd) - it's still a striking image, as is his cover for De-Loused (though quite a few people don't like that one as much). Even using photoshop he can still "do it":
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or just with actors and a camera:
(whether the above album is Prog or not is immaterial, Storm & Hipgnosis did covers for dozens of bands from the 60s to the present day who weren't Prog, but they are still regarded as "Prog" cover artists - if that had been used for a Zeppelin cover in the late 70s no one would complain)
 
Now compare:
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with
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The first makes you go, "Wow, hundreds of hospital beds on a Dorset beach, that must have taken hours", while the second makes you shrug and go "Oh, Photoshop" ... and that's where the modern viewer has become complacent, it isn't Photoshop - it's a real un-doctored photograph - Thorgerson made dozens of plywood man-shapes and mounted them on poles so he could photograph their shadows. Yet it could have easily been Photoshop'd and conversely, it could just as easily have been a Floyd image from A Momentary Lapse and (again) no one would mind.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 04:46
Not to mention in my opinion, one of his most stunning (photographic) images:



Things were so much more worthy when there was a large format camera involved, rather than a PC...

Away from Storm though -

Similarities / Homages, anyone?




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 06:57
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

I'll post some of my favourites.









This is a magnificent cover Sleeper.Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 08:23
you obviously have no kids, else you would know with what surreal ideas they can come up with. Roger Dean is a blunderer compared to them.
or are you speaking of the actual execution of the picture, not the idea? of course a 7 year old kid can not be expected to the the drawing skills of Roger Dean. but I don't consider that picture to be badly executed at all. it reminds me of some of the impressionists (in execution, not in idea). the picture looks a bit as if a surreal painter decided to execute one of his ideas in an impressionistic style


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