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DJPuffyLemon
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Topic: Question about Magma's albums Posted: June 08 2008 at 18:46 |
Okay so we all know that Magma's not the easiest to get into, so I kinda would like to know a bit more about the actual music that comprises each album:
Theusz Hamtaahk
1001 Centigrates
KA (2004 album)
Don't need help with their other albums really because the other albums are separated into different tracks. Thing is that these albums are basically one composition and its hard to get into them. 1001 Centigrates is technically 3 tracks I guess, but they sound similar at this time. So yeah, I guess help me understand, in whatever way you can.
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Posted: June 08 2008 at 21:22 |
"Theusz Hamtaahk" is a single, albeit long composition, which appears on a number of Magma live recordings - I believe it has only ever been performed live, no studio version of it exists. Beyond that, I'm really not sure what you're asking for, and not sure what help I can provide - didn't you start a previous thread discussing your difficulties with Magma? Apologies if I'm thinking of someone else.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: June 08 2008 at 21:35 |
DJPuffyLemon wrote:
Theusz Hamtaahk
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Evil slow bass grinding dark vocal and keyboard led; scarce bright melodious bursts.
1001 Centigrates
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Very jovial and jumpy jazzy zeuhl sound, lots of horns; scarce dark splashes, still somewhat proto-zeuhl
KA (2004 album)
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large diversity: eargasmic climaxes à la Kohntarkosz, fast complex bits, minimalistic beating rhythms, but very very vocal led. Is that what you mean?
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DJPuffyLemon
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Posted: June 08 2008 at 21:38 |
Theusz actually was released as a studio release, but labeled as a live album for whatever reason. and no, it wasn't me that did that other thread, whatever you mean
and Shakespeare, yeah exactly like that, only more detailed, much more detailed. i mean like a play by play almost, summarize the piece i guess. or just describe it, tell me what your impression is, what you think of it, why you think what you did, etc
Edited by DJPuffyLemon - June 08 2008 at 21:40
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Shakespeare
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Posted: June 08 2008 at 21:45 |
Theusz Hamtaahk has hitherto never been recorded in studio.
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rileydog22
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Posted: June 08 2008 at 22:10 |
Theuzs Hamtaahk has never been released as a studio album, though Retropektiw was recorded in a studio, like many other "live" albums.
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 18:39 |
DJPuffyLemon wrote:
and Shakespeare, yeah exactly like that, only more detailed, much more detailed. i mean like a play by play almost, summarize the piece i guess. or just describe it, tell me what your impression is, what you think of it, why you think what you did, etc |
Maybe this is a bit too obvious but... reviews...? Depends on reviewing style, but some people must surely have written blow-by-blow running-commentary style reviews of some of this stuff? (I haven't reviewed K.A., and for the other albums mentioned my attempts are probably not precise enough for what you want... unless you like heavy-handed soundbites... er...) All I can add to Shakespeare's neat summaries would be... Theusz Hamtaahk - all about the precision. And is rhythmically much more complicated than it may seem. On 'Retrospektiw' they make it seem utterly effortless. One of the most manipulative (in the best way!) Magma pieces. Nothing unnecessary in it. Nonchalantly sinister. (Yep, back on the soundbites again...) I absolutely love this, it's 'Zeuhl personified' and all those conflicting rhythms can be quite hypnotic.  1001 - totally confident, committed feel to this. 'Riah Sahiltaahk' is great, it's got this really effective combination of the jazz sound and early-Magma 'narrative' feel with hints of later stuff. The other two pieces are very good too, although slightly more 'straightforward sounding' (and I'm always nonplussed by the ending of 'Iss Lansei Doia' No, duh, edit... that should be 'Ki Iahl O Liahk'...). The arrangements on here are just right - the music is so exuberant, it would be easy to go over the top with the instrumentation, but it's just restrained enough... (Not heard the whole of K.A., so no comment there...) I realise that this isn't really 'play-by-play' but I hope it gives some kind of impression of the 'feel' of the music... 
Edited by song_of_copper - June 16 2008 at 10:05
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 20:34 |
song_of_copper wrote:
Theusz Hamtaahk - all about the precision. And is rhythmically much more complicated than it may seem. On 'Retrospektiw' they make it seem utterly effortless. One of the most manipulative (in the best way!) Magma pieces. Nothing unnecessary in it. Nonchalantly sinister. (Yep, back on the soundbites again...) I absolutely love this, it's 'Zeuhl personified' and all those conflicting rhythms can be quite hypnotic. 
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I don't own Retrospektiw but I was listening - on repeat - to the BBC recording in Londres last night which has a 30min version of Theusz Hamtaahk. With this piece what you said 'bout rhythm is so important. The recording is from '74 featuring the Vander - Top combination which is nigh perfection, 'tis such rare situation where two musician are so musical aligned.
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DJPuffyLemon
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 21:44 |
yeah this has helped a bit, i didn't really need a play by play, just an idea of what they wanted to accomplish.
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 21:49 |
Adam, you need to get Retrospektiw I-II, it's my favourite Magma by far (it was my first Magma actually). I've not heard Londres, so I cannot compare it to this version, unfortunately.
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song_of_copper
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 04:20 |
Black Velvet wrote:
I don't own Retrospektiw but I was listening - on repeat - to
the BBC recording in Londres last night which has a 30min version of
Theusz Hamtaahk. With this piece what you said 'bout rhythm is so
important. The recording is from '74 featuring the Vander - Top
combination which is nigh perfection, 'tis such rare situation where
two musician are so musical aligned. |
James wrote:
Adam, you need to get Retrospektiw I-II, it's my favourite Magma by far (it was my first Magma actually). I've not heard Londres, so I cannot compare it to this version, unfortunately.
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I think 'R I-II' might be my favourite Magma also... Its 'TH' is very different from the Londres version, which feels more chaotic and ugly (the 'good ugly', of course!). The Londres one is more threateningly-dark, I guess, with the Retrospektiw one being more 'neurosurgically celestial', to coin a phrase... And Vander+Paganotti... almost telepathic. Vander+Top = scarily good, but V+P = indescribable, on this. On other versions of 'TH' you can hear the cues for the singers to come in etc., but on Retrospektiw there's no 'compass' in the music at all. Pretty amazing!  Plus the ultimate 'singalonga MDK'... can't beat that.
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 15:10 |
1001° was my second Magma album (Üdü Wüdü being the first) and I never had the need to ask why or how should I like it. Compared to the other magma albums (the track by track ones) it's true that it is very jazzy and difficult to get into if you're used to let say Genesis or Pink Floyd. Perhaps you should give Miles Davis' Bitches Brew a listen and compare Magma's vision of jazz with the "fusionist" one (it's quite similar).
Edited by Prospero - June 16 2008 at 15:11
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