Why does everyone hate 90125?

manofmystery wrote: Come On Eileen > Owner of a Lonely Heart

NaturalScience wrote: I don't mind 90125 that much, but I won't be inclined to play it any time soon, I think. Now Big Generator, I did find that to be an absolutely dreadful record, and I don't think Talk was much better.

I'm not a huge fan of Big Generator either; however, I appreciate Talk more and more. Very nice album, with "Endless Dream" being it's masterpiece. This song could've been on an album with Howe and/or Wakeman and people would've been more receptive to it.

I think it's the most classic Yes sounding tune they ever did with Rabin. Excellent song.

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Atavachron wrote: manofmystery wrote: Yes didn't measure up to other 80s One Hit Wonder acts: Men At Work, Men Without Hats, Nena, Buggles, Dexy's Midnight Runners, Big Country Really?  I mean, really?  Dexy's Midnight Runners ?   Goodnight everyone !

let me be the first to say it... I have now seen it all....  wow....


Edited by micky - March 03 2009 at 07:08

Yes didn't measure up to other 80s One Hit Wonder acts: Men At Work, Men Without Hats, Nena, Buggles, Dexy's Midnight Runners, Big Country, Corey Hart, A-ha, Falco, Taco, and of course Gary Numan

I am the ditz who likes anything even slightly proggy , I undeliberately forgot to purchase 90125, I heard it way too often, it still beats the pants off the pop drivel that permeated radio/MTV back in the days , so you have to judge based on context: it was released at the "Nadir" of prog, when we were all swimming in the driest of deserts.  At least, it kept us shielded from the real crap. I mean Magazine, Ultravox , U2 and Simple Minds were decent too and certainly way more entertaining than 90% of the music back then. Yes, in retrospect, they seemed to have raised the flag and surrendered to the Big Wedge but who got screwed in the end? The big record companies ! and prog not only lives on , it thrives in its inherent modesty  (which is hilarious when you realize it was branded once as "pretentious" !) he who laughs last, laughs best !

Well this is one of those very interesting debates that is as likely to be solved as the Water/Gilmour debates or the "Is Drama legit" debate.  It is eye opening for me to read why people like it.  For me it has long been really on the poor side, syrupy sweet, repetitive choruses, just awful stuff.  Certainly the chops are still there, but too little of the magic. 

Pop and prog, god knows I love plenty of both.  90125 scratches neither itch, and doesn't hold up at all over time, for me. 

it's the same old game man.. .labels labels labels....  as I alluded to in another place.  If Chris wouldn't have phoned it in on 90125 and let it rip in the context of the same songs. .the same music... would it have sounded more like yes... would people here accepted it more.  Probably so.. same album... it's just easier to dismiss things you don't like as meer 'pop' as if it is a magic wand that turns something into a steaming pile of sh*t hahahah.  good one mick...

sure people don't have to like it... but as has been pointed out.. in the context of the music of that day.. and what Yes was at it's core.  It wasn't very far from traditional Yes.. nor prog rock.   We are talkinig shades of colours.. not wild changes in style and direction like, I say again, Genesis made. They alienated their fans.. Yes didn't.. there IS a reason for that.  Think of that instead of just calling it .. a pop album.

Atavachron wrote:    It certainly broke new ground when compared to say A Momentary Lapse of Reason.

ooohhhh.. don't get me started on that....   what a piece of trash...wait.. ABSOLUTE GARBAGE hahah  that is.   especially in comparison to something like 90125

 ^ and compared to a lot of the music of the time - both in and out of the archives - 90125 was a breath of fresh air, completely progressive within a commercial format,, and a brilliant vocal album (something it never gets credit for).  The same goes for Robert Plant's first two and KC's Discipline.  I don't think it has much to do with taste as I generally avoided music that had a 'pop' sound;  it either was a well-conceived, well-made record or it wasn't.  It certainly broke new ground when compared to say A Momentary Lapse of Reason.







Edited by Atavachron - March 02 2009 at 20:42

I don't mind 90125 that much, but I won't be inclined to play it any time soon, I think.

Now Big Generator, I did find that to be an absolutely dreadful record, and I don't think Talk was much better.