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Topic: yet another Nick Cave appreciation thread Posted: April 04 2009 at 14:35
This dude has recently become my favourite singer-songwriter by far, meaning as much to me as Bob Dylan does to my parents, for several reasons:
The way he combines completely unrelated musical genres, e. g. the Bad Seeds' trademark cross between traditional American music and gothic post-punk... and they somehow make it work. Same thing with the weird-as-hell art punk of the Birthday Party. That's the sign of having assembled a band of people who have a good understanding of music.
I'm a bit of a kindred spirit to him, in that we both have the kind of fascination with American culture only a non-American can have. Seriously, a lot of his music has this kind of bizarro-Western atmosphere like Django or Alexandro Jodorowksy's El Topo. Actually, with all the weirdly used religious symbolism in the lyrics it's probably more like El Topo but on heroin instead of acid!
Unlike most other singer-songwriters except for Tom Waits, he seems to have lots of fun with constructing an image as a kind of larger-than-life character, in his case some kind of silent movie villain. He even looked like Cesare from The Cabinet of Doctor Caligari back when he was in the Birthday Party.
Since he was the boyfriend of P. J. Harvey, who is generation X's Joan Baez, he's in every aspects generation X's Bob Dylan.
I like music that's bizarre, dark and melodramatic. (note to self: also check out what that Tom Waits dude is doing)
I'm familiar with stuff from all over his career with the Bad Seeds, but working my way chronologically through it, a couple of Birthday Party songs (need to buy their albums at some point) and his film scores, but not Grinderman. I did talk to a friend who had seen them live and said it was pretty ordinary "dick rock" (as he calls it) like the stuff he listened to growing up ... given that the Saints, an old Australian punk band, is one of Nick Cave's favourite bands of all time maybe Grinderman's a tribute to them?
I also need to get around to watching both of the movies he's scored, I'm a sucker for weird and artsy westerns.
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Posted: April 04 2009 at 14:42
It's also the first one I heard. That one, and Let Love In, are probably his most user-friendly albums.
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Posted: April 04 2009 at 19:28
Nick Cave and the bad seeds is one of my fav rock groups . The Good Son is such a great album, Henry's Dream is very good, he has two missed albums for me :The Boatman's Call, No More Shall We Part ,besides that all the other are awesome
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Posted: April 04 2009 at 21:54
The Boatman's Call was a miss? What???
I love that album, it's a beautiful, minimalist piece of work (some lovely basslines on there too) that sure, sorta moved away from what he's been doing so far, but gosh, desperate love songs? Love that!
And, well, I don't hate Nocturama as a lot of people do, but I'm sure both No More Shall We Part and The Boatman's Call are better than that one.
I'd highly recommend the double album The Lyre Of Orpheus/Abattoir Blues, which is just spectacular, if you don't mind a bit of gospel choir here and there.
As for his last one, Dig Lazarus Dig, well it was sort of odd for me at first, because I thought he had started Grinderman to vent his rock side, and thought it really sounded like Grinderman, but it eventually grew on me, and I saw them live in September and OH MY GOD I did not think it could be that good live.
Seriously, it was the first time I saw them (after listening for them for like 10 years) and I was really blown away, despite my very high expectations.
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Posted: April 05 2009 at 03:00
June wrote:
I love that album, it's a beautiful, minimalist piece of work (some lovely basslines on there too) that sure, sorta moved away from what he's been doing so far, but gosh, desperate love songs? Love that!
How are desperate love songs unusual for Nick Cave up until then? There's lots of them all through his discography before The Boatman's Call.
I'd highly recommend the double album The Lyre Of Orpheus/Abattoir
Blues, which is just spectacular, if you don't mind a bit of gospel
choir here and there.
I have listened to that one, but not enough to really form an opinion on it. You don't listen to concept albums casually for the same reason you don't read a Dostoevsky novel casually.
Mick is leaving at the end of this tour though...
What? Hasn't he been like the longest lasting member other than Captain Caveman himself?
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I love Nick Cave. My favorite album of his is probably Dig Lazarus Dig from last year, just a great album all around. Wonderful mix of post-punk, noise rock, and spoken word (and it's a concept album, too!!).
Lyre of Orpheus/Abattoir Blues (which I tend to consider as two separate albums packaged together due to their different moods) and Tender Prey are very good as well. I highly recommend both.
I have to second those who say that The Boatman's Call is a miss. Just never really moved me like his other albums that I've heard.
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Posted: April 05 2009 at 08:03
Toaster Mantis wrote:
How are desperate love songs unusual for Nick Cave up until then? There's lots of them all through his discography before The Boatman's Call.
What? Hasn't he been like the longest lasting member other than Captain Caveman himself?
Yes, there are other love songs.
Maybe it's a girl thing, liking that album
As for Mick, well, the news has been on his personal website since January, saying more information is coming shortly, but that has been it. Yup, 25 years with the Bad Seeds. I'm sure it doesn't mean he'll stop collaborating with Nick altogether, though. And maybe he feels writing soudtracks is quieter than tour life or something.
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Posted: April 05 2009 at 11:46
Hmmm.
By the way, I listened to Grinderman on YouTube today and, yeah, it does sounds a lot like the Saints.
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Posted: April 05 2009 at 13:17
God damn. That's one of the funniest music videos ever.
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