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mattmcl
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 15:17 |
I saw GG Allin "perform" back in the eighties. Nothing will ever come close.
i don't know if i consider that lucky or not. what an experience.
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Yeah, it was pretty sick. He was naked, defecated on stage and threw it into the audience, beat himself bloody with the mic, did some sick stuff with a dead cat, etc.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 03:50 |
I have to agree with Jean about Amon Düül 2's "Dem Guten, Schönen, Wahren". Not only is it a song about a child molester, which switches between him boasting proudly about his deeds and an angry crowd which wants to first flog and then hang him, it is also hinted (though not explicitly stated) that the child molester is Jesus. I'd call this quite shocking, especially for 1969.
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Green Shield Stamp
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 05:46 |
Ligeti's Requiem still has the power to shock - the polytonality and atonality of the choir is quite unnerving. It was used to good effect in parts of Stanley Kubrick's '2001: A Space Odyssey'. Ornette Coleman's 'Free Jazz' is quite shocking - two separate jazz quartets improvising different things but recorded together, producing (to my ears) a formless cacophony.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 06:05 |
Green Shield Stamp wrote:
Ligeti's Requiem still has the power to shock - the polytonality and atonality of the choir is quite unnerving. It was used to good effect in parts of Stanley Kubrick's '2001: A Space Odyssey'. Ornette Coleman's 'Free Jazz' is quite shocking - two separate jazz quartets improvising different things but recorded together, producing (to my ears) a formless cacophony. |
Well, that requiem is one of my favorite pieces of music; it certainly does not shock me.
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Visitor13
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 10:40 |
Nothing shocking about the Ligeti, nothing shocking about Coleman either. In both cases the alleged inaccessibility of the music is highly exaggerated.
Nothing shocking about G. G. Allin's music, just your regular punk rock early on, and later some kind of noise with foul language on top a la Whitehouse, as I'm given to understand. Nothing really new or interesting, and I don't think anyone really attended Allin's concerts for the music, even if some of it might have appealed to punk or noise fans.
There's a recording somewhere of Charlie Parker playing during a mental breakdown, that might be shocking, but mostly because of the context, I guess. Wouldn't be surprised if this was an urban myth.
Throbbing Gristle has some pieces with really sick lyrics, but that would open up the way to all kinds of death metal/noise/power electronics ensembles, and none of these come across as shocking musically, or even lyrically nowadays.
Henry Plainview mentioned Penderecki's Threnody, and it's an obvious choice.
Peter Maxwell Davies has two pieces dealing with madness - "Miss Donnithorne's Maggot" and "Eight Songs for a Mad King". They're fairly shocking I guess, though there's likely more than a touch of black humour there.
Iannis Xenakis had a piece the title of which I don't remember (Pleiades?), which I found really beautiful, only to learn that to Xenakis it reminded of people scattering under machine gun fire, something he must have had more than his fair share of during WWII.
Beethoven's NInth made a few people go WTF?!! after its premiere, I wouldn't be surprised if his other late pieces did that as well.
Carlo Gesualdo's works might have made a few people stare in horror in his time.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 21:39 |
Forgot to mention Stravinsky's The Rite of Spring.
Najinski's choreography no doubt added to the shock value, but I think a good deal of the credit still belongs to the piece.
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OzzProg
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 21:54 |
lol GG Allin....
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mrcozdude
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 22:05 |
mattmcl wrote:
I saw GG Allin "perform" back in the eighties. Nothing will ever come close.
i don't know if i consider that lucky or not. what an experience.
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Yeah, it was pretty sick. He was naked, defecated on stage and threw it into the audience, beat himself bloody with the mic, did some sick stuff with a dead cat, etc.
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sweet
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meptune
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Posted: July 02 2009 at 04:12 |
mrcozdude wrote:
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He was naked, defecated on stage and threw it into the audience, beat himself bloody with the mic, did some sick stuff with a dead cat, etc.
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Brilliant. Is that what you'd call Prog.
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"Arf, she said"
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BaldFriede
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Posted: July 02 2009 at 04:27 |
meptune wrote:
mrcozdude wrote:
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He was naked, defecated on stage and threw it into the audience, beat himself bloody with the mic, did some sick stuff with a dead cat, etc.
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Brilliant. Is that what you'd call Prog. |
Well, you might. John L., singer of Ash Ra Tempel, appeared naked on stage with a painted penis and had himself whipped.
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Visitor13
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Posted: July 02 2009 at 04:31 |
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Posted: July 02 2009 at 04:32 |
BaldFriede wrote:
meptune wrote:
mrcozdude wrote:
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He was naked, defecated on stage and threw it into the audience, beat himself bloody with the mic, did some sick stuff with a dead cat, etc.
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Brilliant. Is that what you'd call Prog. |
Well, you might. John L., singer of Ash Ra Tempel, appeared naked on stage with a painted penis and had himself whipped.
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Thats the power of Krautrock.
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Synchestra
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Posted: July 02 2009 at 06:12 |
Visitor13 wrote:
mrcozdude wrote:
mattmcl wrote:
I saw GG Allin "perform" back in the eighties. Nothing will ever come close.
i don't know if i consider that lucky or not. what an experience. |
Yeah, it was pretty sick. He was naked, defecated on stage and threw it into the audience, beat himself bloody with the mic, did some sick stuff with a dead cat, etc.
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He did that pretty much every night, so this is probably why towards the end nobody cared.
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Well depending on his age im not suprised... once your old its just silly
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'Yeah, thats.. Whatever you're talking about for ya' - Zapp brannigan
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Visitor13
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Posted: July 02 2009 at 07:14 |
And with that kind of lifestyle you get old very fast.
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clarke2001
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Posted: July 02 2009 at 07:16 |
There was a guy even more insane than G.G. Allin, called Satan Panonski. If there ever was an enfant terrible of ex-Yugoslavian scene, he's the one.  You may check his live performances on YouTube. But warning - that's not for the faint-hearted.
Edited by clarke2001 - July 02 2009 at 07:20
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someone_else
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Posted: July 02 2009 at 07:20 |
^ Then I'd rather stay faint-hearted. Let's stick on shocking pieces of music instead, not on some perverse acts to cheer it up.
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