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Poll Question: Which was the biggest blow to the band's soul/relevence at the time?
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10 [5.99%]
41 [24.55%]
81 [48.50%]
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 04:56
Interesting one.

I love Marillion post Fish and also Genesis post Gabriel. As far as Waters is concerned, the two LPs Gilmour did with Floyd pale in comparison with the Waters era, but at least MLOR had On The Turning Away, which is a great track.

My vote goes to Anderson leaving Yes. I am absolutely in a minority, I know, as regards Drama, which I can't stand, and as for the tribute band singer...Best I leave no comment.

Of course, Robert leaving Epignosis would be the killerLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 05:03
All of these were leaders or front ends, but not sole rulers of these bands.
I think that Robert Fripp leaving King Crimson or Ian Anderson leaving Jethro Tull would come closer to a fatal blow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 05:13
From this list it's Gabriel leaving Genesis. I was in shock at the time as I was just getting into Genesis for about a year. As it happens I loved Trick.

Worse than this and should be on the list imo is Hackett leaving Genesis. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 05:28
Just let me say that more than Waters leaving Pink Floyd it was Pink Floyd leaving Waters, really.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 06:33
Gabriel leaving Genesis from this group. 

I agree with both someone_else's comment that Fripp leaving King Crimson or Ian Anderson leaving Tull would be closer to fatal blows. They are the real driving forces and composers for KC and JT.

Also, Snow Dog's mention that Hackett's departure from Genesis should be included! Hackett's departure had a huge impact on where Genesis headed musically. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 06:44
Hackett leaving Genesis had a worse lasting impact than Gabriel leaving Genesis
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 06:45
 
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:



Of course, Robert leaving Epignosis would be the killerLOL

NO !!!!!!!!!!!!! NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't leave Epignosis, Robert !!!!!!!!! We can't let Viking Invasion, your slightly musically challenged moggy (cat) do the drums, guitars and bass alone. 

Please, please, please don't leave Epignosis !!! 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 06:48
Hackett leaving Genesis had a worse lasting impact than Gabriel leaving Genesis
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 06:50
Why the Hell do my posts always post twice!?!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 06:59
None of the above.

When Gabriel left Genesis, for example, I was really looking forward to his solo career. And I was not disappointed.

But Patrick Moraz leaving Yes - now THAT was a shocker!

I knew right from the start the band would never again record anything as adventurous as RELAYER.

As a solo recording artist, by 1976 good old Rick had run out of steam. (About half of NO EARTHLY CONNECTION was good, just a few tracks on CRIMINAL RECORD still rocked, RHAPSODIES was a total disaster.) So I just knew he wouldn't contribute anything worthwile to Yes's career.

Just compare Moraz' superb solos on 'Sound Chaser' and 'To Be Over' with the cheesy synths you hear on 'Wondrous Stories' or 'Don't Kill the Whale'. (And no, Rick's playing on 'Awaken' never really impressed me either!)

So: Moraz' departure really meant the end of Yes's glory days.

Strange to think that, after THE STORY OF I, our Patrick never really made a decent solo album himself... Did Yes ruin him, in the same way that his departure ruined Yes?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 07:04
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I can't look at it that way.  I look at how the solo artist turned out compared to the band he left.  Quite frankly, none of the options on the list are a big deal to me.

I'm pretty content.  Smile



But the poll was about the band, not the guy who left it. 


I didn't make myself clear- sorry.

What I mean by that is this:

Genesis went pop not long after Gabriel left.  But so did Gabriel.  Neither was as good as their sum.  My point here being that even if Gabriel had stayed in Genesis, I believe they would have become a pop band anyway.

Anderson leaving Yes was not a big deal (Drama is wonderful) and Yes made some amazing albums when he returned.

Waters and Pink Floyd...I personally think Pink Floyd's later output is mostly very good.  I mean, I don't get this.  People complain about how horrible The Final Cut is, which is pretty much all self-indulgent Roger Waters, and then complain that Waters wasn't in Pink Floyd after that!  How does that make any sense?  Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 07:11
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I can't look at it that way.  I look at how the solo artist turned out compared to the band he left.  Quite frankly, none of the options on the list are a big deal to me.

I'm pretty content.  Smile



But the poll was about the band, not the guy who left it. 


I didn't make myself clear- sorry.

What I mean by that is this:

Genesis went pop not long after Gabriel left.  But so did Gabriel.  Neither was as good as their sum.  My point here being that even if Gabriel had stayed in Genesis, I believe they would have become a pop band anyway.

Anderson leaving Yes was not a big deal (Drama is wonderful) and Yes made some amazing albums when he returned.

Waters and Pink Floyd...I personally think Pink Floyd's later output is mostly very good.  I mean, I don't get this.  People complain about how horrible The Final Cut is, which is pretty much all self-indulgent Roger Waters, and then complain that Waters wasn't in Pink Floyd after that!  How does that make any sense?  Confused
For me the Final Cut is a good album, even if not their best, but A Momentary Leapse of Reason is more or less on the same level. It features best music and worse lyrics, but the two make the pair. The Division Bell is for me a masterpiece so I wouldn't complain so much.

What people complains is that Roger Waters' musical genius was missed BEFORE The Final Cut. In the Wall he is more concentrated on the concept and on the lyrics, but the better parts are those co-written with Gilmour. 

I think Waters left Pink Floyd after Animals. This is the sense.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 09:19
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Genesis went pop not long after Gabriel left.  But so did Gabriel.  Neither was as good as their sum.  My point here being that even if Gabriel had stayed in Genesis, I believe they would have become a pop band anyway.


Your first statement is debatable. In many ways, TRICK OF THE TAIL is as good as earlier Genesis albums, although inevitably that strange sense of menace, mystery and majesty is missing! Similarly, tracks like "Here Comes the Flood" or "No Self-Control" are as interesting as anything Genesis ever did.

Your second statement may be more to the point: one could easily imagine a more commercial Genesis-WITH-Gabriel releasing something like "Sledgehammer", alas...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 09:55
Waters leaving Floyd. They were just a bit dull after he left.

I thought Gabriel leaving Genesis would top this poll. Although Gabriel going was a big loss to the band, I think they 'grew up fast' and for afew years at least were actually a better band. Sorry, I know that's a contraversial view..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 10:01
a few more candidates:
Hackett leaving Genesis
Hodgson leaving Supertramp
Wyatt leaving Soft Machine
 
and finally ....
 
Godley & Creme leaving 10CC
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 10:09
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

a few more candidates:
Hackett leaving Genesis

Hodgson leaving Supertramp

Wyatt leaving Soft Machine

 

and finally ....

 

Godley & Creme leaving 10CC


Indeed, Hacket leaving was a bigger loss to Genesis than Gabriel going imo.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 10:18
Byron Leaving UH.
Blackmore Leaving DP
Lemmy leaving Hawkwind.
Hensley leaving UH.
Bruford leaving Yes.
Bardens leaving Camel.
Gillan and Glover leaving DP.
Halford leaving JP.
Dicksinson Leaving IM
Hansen Leaving Helloween.
Neil leaving MC
 
 
and many many more... as you see the change of crucial members not always ends a band.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 10:22
Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Byron Leaving UH.
Blackmore Leaving DP
Lemmy leaving Hawkwind.
Hensley leaving UH.
Bruford leaving Yes.
Bardens leaving Camel.
Gillan and Glover leaving DP.
Halford leaving JP.
Dicksinson Leaving IM
Hansen Leaving Helloween.
Neil leaving MC
 
 
and many many more... as you see the change of crucial members not always ends a band.
 
A few of these were firings, though.
 
Not like they left on their own will.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 10:41
Helmut Koellen leaving Triumvirat-the band never really recovered
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2010 at 11:14
From this list, I can say Gabriel with very little deliberation.  The horrors that Phil Collins went on to create with that vehicle make my physically ill.

As for the Waters departure...I've always thought this was drastically over-emphasized.  Given, I grew up on The Division Bell, but even so I think it's a fantastic, amazing album.  Momentary Lapse less so, but then that was really just a Gilmour solo effort dressed up in the Floyd name.  If I have to choose between The Final Cut (gag me with a spoon) and Division Bell...not even a contest. 
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