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Catcher10 
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 Posted: September 09 2010 at 11:31 |
 Epignosis wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
^ Not sure it couldn't be a valid opinion, if they believe the guy is the heart and soul of the group and they will not recover, they could make the case DT is crippled, perhaps moreso in their opinion than the other historical ones, most of which survived the departures in some respect.
Damn, how's that for a run-on sentence
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All I meant was that only time and perspective can help us judge something like this.
Oh by the way I'm leaving Epignosis.
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(ok I feel better...good luck dude!!)
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 09 2010 at 11:45 |
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For those of these I know I don't think any of the departures were a big blow.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Soundman
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Posted: September 09 2010 at 11:50 |
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Put me in the Hackett leaving Genesis camp also.
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Hercules
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Posted: September 09 2010 at 14:27 |
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Gabriel left a huge hole which the "great drummer but lousy singer" Collins couldn't really fill, but they continued to make some very good music.
But Hackett leaving was infinitely worse. That was the end of Genesis as a credible band.
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A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life.
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Formentera Lady
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Posted: September 09 2010 at 14:36 |
Sean Trane wrote:
a few more candidates:
Hackett leaving Genesis
Hodgson leaving Supertramp
Wyatt leaving Soft Machine
and finally ....
Godley & Creme leaving 10CC |
I don't know much about Soft Machine, but for the others I would agree, that these departures had a greater negative impact on the bands development than the list above. From the list... probably Fish leaving Marillion, because I do not like the Hogarth era very much.
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daslaf
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Posted: September 09 2010 at 15:27 |
someone_else wrote:
All of these were leaders or front ends, but not sole rulers of these bands.
I think that Robert Fripp leaving King Crimson or Ian Anderson leaving Jethro Tull would come closer to a fatal blow. |
I think that's kinda... mmmm... those guys are/were their bands, wether the band had some awesome musicians collaborating with their ideas or not, those guys were the creative leaders of the bands, the band belongs to them... it's like VdGG without Hammill... there's no King Crimson without Fripp. no JT without Ian, no VdGG without Hammill... it wouldn't be a fatal blow, it would be the end of the band
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But now my branches suffer
And my leaves don't bear the glow
They did so long ago
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mohaveman
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Posted: September 09 2010 at 15:54 |
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Marillion without Fish is an altogether different band
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octopus-4
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Posted: September 09 2010 at 16:02 |
Alberto Muñoz wrote:
Byron Leaving UH.
Blackmore Leaving DP
Lemmy leaving Hawkwind.
Hensley leaving UH.
Bruford leaving Yes.
Bardens leaving Camel.
Gillan and Glover leaving DP.
Halford leaving JP.
Dicksinson Leaving IM
Hansen Leaving Helloween.
Neil leaving MC
and many many more... as you see the change of crucial members not always ends a band. |
Good spot, but more than Bardens, I think Ferguson leaving Camel gave room to Sinclair that was very good with Caravan, but mixing the sound of the two bands resulted in things very far from the first four masterpieces. Of course Latimer too was responsible of the change, but Camel never reached the level of the first 4 albums until Rajaz. And Ferguson is the one missing since Rain Dances.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Dellinger
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Posted: September 09 2010 at 23:10 |
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I agree that Hackett leaving Genesis was worse than Peters departure.
I agree that Fripp or Ian Anderson leaving their bands would be... well, they were their bands.
I agree that Waters leaving Floyd was not so very bad, I liked Momentary Lapse at least as much as Final Cut, and I think I liked it even better, and Division Bell is one of my very favourite Pink Floyd albums.
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Cristi
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Posted: September 10 2010 at 08:06 |
what's so devastating about Fish leaving Marillion? 10 votes?  Fish was not even the driving force of the band or the main songwrter for that matter.
I think Hackett leaving Genesis was more devastating than the departure of Gabriel...
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digdug
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Posted: September 10 2010 at 08:13 |
My first thought was
John Bonham leaving Zeppelin to go to a better place
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Prog On!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 10 2010 at 12:35 |
Cristi wrote:
what's so devastating about Fish leaving Marillion? 10 votes? Fish was not even the driving force of the band or the main songwrter for that matter.
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Fish was the face, voice, personality and lyricist of Marillion, without him they became a mainstream band in short time.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 10 2010 at 12:36
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Rabid
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Posted: September 10 2010 at 12:44 |
Who's Mike Portnoy?
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"...the thing IS, to put a motor in yourself..."
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Cristi
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Posted: September 10 2010 at 13:51 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Cristi wrote:
what's so devastating about Fish leaving Marillion? 10 votes? Fish was not even the driving force of the band or the main songwrter for that matter.
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Fish was the face, voice, personality and lyricist of Marillion, without him they became a mainstream band in short time.
Iván |
I disagree but hey, everyone's entitled to an opinion; Hogarth is a great lyricist as well and has found respect as the face of Marillion since he joined the band.
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Cristi
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Posted: September 10 2010 at 13:54 |
Rabid wrote:
Who's Mike Portnoy? |
really? you don't know?! he's quite famous, one of the greatest drummers, co-founder of the famous progressive metal band Dream Theater.
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octopus-4
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Posted: September 10 2010 at 15:17 |
Cristi wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Cristi wrote:
what's so devastating about Fish leaving Marillion? 10 votes? Fish was not even the driving force of the band or the main songwrter for that matter.
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Fish was the face, voice, personality and lyricist of Marillion, without him they became a mainstream band in short time.
Iván |
I disagree but hey, everyone's entitled to an opinion; Hogarth is a great lyricist as well and has found respect as the face of Marillion since he joined the band. |
You are both true. It's that Marillion with Fish and with Hogarth are two different bands.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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octopus-4
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Posted: September 10 2010 at 15:20 |
Cristi wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Cristi wrote:
what's so devastating about Fish leaving Marillion? 10 votes? Fish was not even the driving force of the band or the main songwrter for that matter.
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Fish was the face, voice, personality and lyricist of Marillion, without him they became a mainstream band in short time.
Iván |
I disagree but hey, everyone's entitled to an opinion; Hogarth is a great lyricist as well and has found respect as the face of Marillion since he joined the band. |
You are both true. It's that Marillion with Fish and with Hogarth are two different bands.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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octopus-4
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Posted: September 10 2010 at 15:21 |
Firgive the double reply, I'm getting network errors 
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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presdoug
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Posted: September 10 2010 at 18:21 |
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Dirk Steffens leaving Birth Control in 1974-he was only around for one album, but what a loss!
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: September 10 2010 at 20:31 |
Cristi wrote:
Fish was not even the driving force of the band or the main songwrter for that matter. |
lolwut
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