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beaverteeth92 
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Posted: October 29 2010 at 21:38 |
I would like to suggest The Flaming Lips for Prog Related, and Sufjan Stevens for either Crossover Prog or Prog Related.
The Flaming Lips:
Sufjan Stevens:
Discographies:
< ="utf-8"> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flaming_Lips_discography http://www.discogs.com/artist/Sufjan+Stevens
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Chris S
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Posted: October 29 2010 at 22:48 |
Sufjan has been rejected by the crossover Team, and Flaming Lips.......close.....but I am not sure they would carry weight here. I mean Mercury Rev reside in PR but each band needs to be taken on it's own merits. And we do know FL have been blatantly alt/psych/crossover at times. I think PR would be their best shout for a couple of/three even albums they have done, Zaireeka and Embryonic spring to mind :-) Not quite a Boces, now I am gonna be slamdunked for drawing comparisons 
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Posted: October 30 2010 at 08:41 |
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Sufjan was also considered and rejected for prog folk. He's too eclectic for us, but we also felt that his prog relationships are once or twice removed. Great artist though
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beaverteeth92
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Posted: October 30 2010 at 09:28 |
I thought being eclectic was an important part of prog. I'd think if anything, being too eclectic would be a prerequisite to being prog.
And so what if the Flaming Lips are "blatantly alt?" So are Muse and they're on here.
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Jake Kobrin
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Posted: October 30 2010 at 14:22 |
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Flaming Lips are more psyche-pop. They don't really have any prog influence, except for maybe Piper at the Gates of Dawn, etc.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: October 30 2010 at 14:28 |
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You can't say that a band who makes a full cover of DSOTM has no prog influence. Also, I think Embryonic is progressive rock. I am waiting for the evaluation process to end for the full prog categories and if the answers are NO I'll champion them for Prog Related.
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Logan
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Posted: October 30 2010 at 14:34 |
 Jake Kobrin wrote:
Flaming Lips are more psyche-pop. They don't really have any prog influence, except for maybe Piper at the Gates of Dawn, etc. |
I'd be surprised if they weren't directly influenced by Krautrock artists on Embryonic (though Krautrock was influenced by that Pink Floyd album too). That album has definite Krautrock qualities to my ear, and I think PA worthy. I support Flaming Lips based on Embryonic, Zaireeka, and The Soft Bulletin.
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Posted: October 30 2010 at 15:47 |
Logan wrote:
Jake Kobrin wrote:
Flaming Lips are more psyche-pop. They don't really have any prog influence, except for maybe Piper at the Gates of Dawn, etc. |
I'd be surprised if they weren't directly influenced by Krautrock artists on Embryonic (though Krautrock was influenced by that Pink Floyd album too). That album has definite Krautrock qualities to my ear, and I think PA worthy. I support Flaming Lips based on Embryonic, Zaireeka, and The Soft Bulletin.
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Good points Greg and Alex^^. Looking through the evaluation process for crossover I see they were rejected some time ago, so best to try those other avenues 
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Adams Bolero
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Posted: October 30 2010 at 17:36 |
I actually made a thread about Sufjan last week but it died a terrible death. Here it is for anyone interested:
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Posted: October 30 2010 at 19:08 |
I like the flips - I know they are more hippie than prog - but it's a schtick I dig - and also - I have mad respect for the way they do covers.
I had an awestome great time when I saw them - I'd see them again. - but yea - I agree not quite prog.
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Logan
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Posted: October 30 2010 at 19:14 |
I think it was already rejected for Psych and Kraut. The only Prog category I would have seen it in was Crossover, but if your team rejected it then I wouldn't see it in (unless Related, which i also supported it for, but it did not get in there). If a new album comes up that's considered prog category worthy, then the Lips can be re-evaluated.
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beaverteeth92
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Posted: October 31 2010 at 21:30 |
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Well they and Sufjan both have the symphonic element and complexity down to a science. Like I don't see how they and Arcade Fire are excluded from this site, but how Deep Purple is on, considering Deep Purple is mostly hard rock. And I say that with Deep Purple being one of my all-time favorite bands.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: October 31 2010 at 21:34 |
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One's been around since the 80s and thus deserves some consideration.
The other one is an irrelevant modern hack that should never be invoked in any serious music discussion ever again.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: October 31 2010 at 21:46 |
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No more additions to prog related. Please.
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Logan
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Posted: October 31 2010 at 21:58 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
No more additions to prog related. Please. |
Why not?
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: October 31 2010 at 22:27 |
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I understand why prog related is there and I accept it, but I feel like adding more things to prog related does not add any value to the site. I don't care about the Flaming Lips and have never heard one of their albums, so if people think they're prog and want to put them in Crossover or whatever (although I don't want Crossover to become a dumping ground for semi-prog either) then I don't mind. But I don't see any need to recognize either of them as pseudo-semi-prog. A ton of music is pseudo-semi-prog.
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beaverteeth92
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Posted: October 31 2010 at 23:00 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
One's been around since the 80s and thus deserves some consideration.
The other one is an irrelevant modern hack that should never be invoked in any serious music discussion ever again.
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Why? He's a talented multi-instrumentalist who has garnered significant critical acclaim as a result of writing extremely complex albums, and his albums get even more complex with every release. Illinois has consistently been called one of the best albums of the 2000s:
http://www.metacritic.com/music/illinois http://www.popmatters.com/music/reviews/s/stevenssufjan-illinois.shtml
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: October 31 2010 at 23:16 |
beaverteeth92 wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
One's been around since the 80s and thus deserves some consideration.
The other one is an irrelevant modern hack that should never be invoked in any serious music discussion ever again.
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Why? He's a talented multi-instrumentalist who has garnered significant critical acclaim as a result of writing extremely complex albums, and his albums get even more complex with every release. Illinois has consistently been called one of the best albums of the 2000s:
http://www.metacritic.com/music/illinois http://www.popmatters.com/music/reviews/s/stevenssufjan-illinois.shtml
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You're not going to convince him, save your breath (or fingers in this case).
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Adams Bolero
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Posted: October 31 2010 at 23:51 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
One's been around since the 80s and thus deserves some consideration.
The other one is an irrelevant modern hack that should never be invoked in any serious music discussion ever again.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 05:28 |
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Greg, you mean that FL were evaluated for Related and rejected?
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