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chopper 
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 Posted: January 06 2011 at 16:42 |
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What's the difference between the two anyway? For instance, why is Tommy a rock opera and The Lamb a concept album? |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 06 2011 at 17:29 |
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I think there is a difference, but I need to think about it.
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Harold-The-Barrel
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 04:44 |
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Thats a seriously $*** list of albums, my kids have better taste than that
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You must be joking.....Take a running jump......
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XTChuck
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 09:49 |
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I don't know how Sgt Pepper can be considered a concept album just because it was supposed to be some kind of make believe band.....
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paganinio
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 10:24 |
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a solid list. They aren't necessarily concept albums but hey, you can always assign a concept to each of them. After all, what really matters is what they mean to you, not what they meant to the band themselves.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 10:34 |
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The difference to me is this. Tommy is sung in Opera style. Each song is sung by a character and there is no narrative (except for Sally Simpson I think which is sung by.......who?) The Wall is mostly first person narrative with the exception of the Operalike The Trial The Lamb is a bit of a mix. Not purely operatic for sure. It is sometimes narrative third person and sometimes first person, with occasional character singing. For this reason Wall and Lamb are concept albums and tommy is a Rock Opera(mostly) All this I have written without studying the albums and is only from memory. |
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chopper
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 11:23 |
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I think you've hit the proverbial nail on the head there Ian. I would think Sally Simpson is sung by some sort of narrator (I believe Townsend sung it in the film, not sure about the album). |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 11:34 |
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I think in a traditional opera it might be sung by a choir or chorus. Perhaps it marks the end of act 1? Or something?
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Truman82
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Posted: March 12 2011 at 18:24 |
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I think there is many better metal concept albums then rock concept albums
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stonebeard
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Posted: March 12 2011 at 18:35 |
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American Idiot anywhere near acceptable to like?
Dark Side a concept album? Sgt. Pepper a concept album? *sigh* ok but only in a meta sense.  Well it is from a guitar website so everything went as expected. |
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: March 12 2011 at 21:28 |
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Well, I would certainly classify Tommy as a concept album. That it is also considered a "rock opera" is neither here nor there. It definitely has a unifying theme that runs through it (or as Zappa would say, "conceptual continuity").
As opposed to Sgt. Peppers, which is really not much of a concept album, if at all, particularly since really only two songs and an intro to another have any unifying theme. The rest of the album has nothing whatsoever to do with Sgt. Pepper, does not mention Sgt. Pepper, nor are there any common musical or philosophical tie-ins. You have a "granny song" (as Lennon would say) in "When I'm Sixty-four", an LSD trip ("Lucy in the Sky..."), etc.
Dark Side of the Moon is indeed a concept album, The working title was Dark Side of the Moon: A Piece for Assorted Lunatics, mirroring Roger Waters idea that the songs should deal with things that "make people mad": war, anger, isolation, greed, regret, aging, death and mental illness. In addition, the songs are played as a continuous piece of music on both sides of the album (there are no stops, per se), and there are mumbled asides from various characters throughout the album ("I don't know if I was really drunk at the time", "You know they're gonna kill ya. So, like... if you give 'em a quick short, sharp shock, they don't do it again", etc.) which act as prefaces, reveries or outros to each song.
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yanch
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Posted: March 13 2011 at 09:05 |
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As usual a lousy list put out by a mainstream source, so it's not surprising how poor it is. Won't go into the merits of what's on the list, comments already here cover that. Some of the omissions though are pretty glaring:
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway(As mentioned by several) Quadrophenia (IMHO better than Tommy) Tales of Mystery and Imagination-Alan Parson's-concept based around the stories of Edgar Alan Poe A Passion Play Snow Brave And others I can't even think of right now. |
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let prog reign
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Posted: March 13 2011 at 10:32 |
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Out of those DSM should be number one
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Once upon a time there was some writing on the wall we all ignored, until the time that there was war and feasts of famine at our door
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: March 14 2011 at 08:45 |
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It's not as bad of a list as people have been saying.
2112 most definitely is not a concept album though. How songs about twilight zone episodes, being on tour in Asia, and an adaptation of an Ayn Rand novel can be thought to represent a unified concept, I'll never understand. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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thehallway
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Posted: March 15 2011 at 11:32 |
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"No album has come closer to coherent perfection – both thematically and musically – as this masterpiece from Pink Floyd. " Why is it no. 10 then?......Mr Random List Compiler. And Sgt Pepper does have some themes. It's one of those records I don't call a "concept album" but rather "an album with concepts". There is either more than one theme or, not every song is necessarily related to the one theme. 'Getting Better', 'She's Leaving Home', 'When I'm 64', and 'A Day In The Life'....... all have themes of ageing. And the bookending of the title track certainly helps the album go beyond a mere 'collection of unrelated songs'...... |
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The Coastliner
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Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:42 |
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I am agreed that the list is your bog standard 'pick some of the most famous rock albums that were based around a concept/story', but was anyone really expecting them to put Tales From Topographic Oceans in there? If it's on the Gibson website, it's going to go for stuff people will get into easily with some big rock guitar and riffs, etc. - classic rock, not necessarily prog (though I was pleasantly surprised to see Thick as a Brick on there). If you want to see a list on the top ten prog concept album I am sure there are many many threads here to satisfy that need. I am frankly impressed at the amount of prog that IS on that list.
(I will add, though, my constant irritation that 2112 is continually referred to as a concept album even though Side 2 has nothing to do with Side 1)
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cstack3
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Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:59 |
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Actually, Gibson DID compile a much better list, please see this: http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/Features/10-great-prog-rock-guitarists/ 10 Great Prog Rock Guitarists including Fripp, Howe, Barre & more! Given that this list preceded the "10 Greatest Concept Albums" list, I'm surprised that they didn't give a tip of the hat to Howe with TFTO (one of the best prog works, ever!), Hackett with "The Lamb," etc. Gibson likes to show off how many progsters used their products, it is a rather amazing list! Not so many used Fender guitars, nearly all of the sounds we enjoy were produce from Gibson guitars and humbucking pickups. As a player, I understand why that is. Amazing instruments, especially the Les Paul Standard.
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Mista-Gordie
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Posted: April 03 2011 at 15:10 |
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What?? Green Day's American Idiot is just 3rd?? WTH!! Any album is crap compared to this masterpiece!
lol jk it's the worst album ever, shame on Gibson
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Mista-Gordie
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Posted: April 03 2011 at 15:12 |
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Tommy has all the attributes of a concept album, I'm not sure that I understand what you mean by saying it is not
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