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Einstein 
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 15:00 |
Hi everyone,
I'm lately began being intrested in progressive rock from Germany, and I would like to know what is the earliest progressive rock album from there (or at least counted by some as such).
also, on this occasion, I would thank anyone who will contribute my knowledge about the first progressive rock album in other countires, espcially in Italy (is there anything that might be considered as prog before spooky Jacula?) but also in France, Netherlands and any other country actualy.
thanks for anyone who helps!
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Einstein
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 15:05 |
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BTW, I know that the defenition is very thin, but I would prefer it not to be Proto-prog of psych music..
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 16:51 |
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Perhaps Can's Delay '68?
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Bellringer
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 17:38 |
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According to the PA discography, it's most likely Xhol Caravan's GET IN HIGH from '67 (defined as Krautrock).
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 17:56 |
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PHALLUS DEI was probably the first "real" German prog album.
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 18:00 |
 Bellringer wrote:
According to the PA discography, it's most likely Xhol
Caravan's GET IN HIGH from '67 (defined as Krautrock). |
Xhol
Caravan called themselves Soul Caravan when they released that album,
and they're defined as Krautrock because of their later albums. Can'd Delay is pretty good psychedelic rock but it wasn't released until 1981. IMO Amon Düül's Phallus Dei and Can's Monster Movie (and maybe Electrip C) released in 1969 are the first true Krautrock albums.
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 18:28 |
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Bellringer wrote:
According to the PA discography, it's most likely Xhol
Caravan's GET IN HIGH from '67 (defined as Krautrock). |
Xhol
Caravan called themselves Soul Caravan when they released that album,
and they're defined as Krautrock because of their later albums. Can'd Delay is pretty good psychedelic rock but it wasn't released until 1981. IMO Amon Düül's Phallus Dei and Can's Monster Movie (and maybe Electrip C) released in 1969 are the first true Krautrock albums.
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probably this.
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 20:59 |
In Italy, PFM's Storia di un Minuto made such a huge impact in early 1972 that it's sometimes regarded as the first true Italian prog album, but there were many that came out before.
Le Orme's Collage, with the important song "Sguardo Verso il Cielo" in 1971
New Trolls Concerto Grosso, which was also important in 1971, though not in the same way as PFM
Less successful, but all from 1971, were:
Panna Fredda
I Giganti- Terra in Bocca
Planetarium- Infinity
And there were many bands who had released a kind of Italian proto-prog music on albums pre-1972:
The Trip
Il Balletto di Bronzo
RDM
Formula 3
Nuova Idea
And the earliest Italian album that could *possibly* be labeled "prog" was probably the album by La Stella di Mario Schifano, from 1967, but it's such a weird mixture of pop and tape experiments that's so dissimilar to what we all know as RPI that I wouldn't consider it a good candidate.
So the further back you go, the less typical of RPI it gets. ITCOTCK surely wasn't the first British prog album since important progressive albums by the Moody Blues, Soft Machine, Procol Harum, and others came out before it, but its influence makes it stand out, with the benefit of hindsight. You have to weigh "genuine progginess" against "earliness." And since we're talking from a historical perspective, I think influence and importance deserves some consideration too.
With all that considered, I think New Trolls' "Concerto Grosso" album should probably take the title of "first true RPI album." It did clarify the style, and it was a big success when it came out. However, I should admit that I actually don't like the album much at all and strongly prefer the first PFM album!
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Einstein
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Posted: June 17 2011 at 01:52 |
Thanks for all who helped, due to the hours diffrences I wasn't here all the disscution,
Amon Düül's Phallus Dei really intrests me, never heard on them.
Xhol's first album is quite progressive too in my eyes, at least some of the pieces there.
I don't know, but the Moody Blues and Procol Harum 60's staff never was in my eyes real progressive rock. but that's only my opinion anyway.
also La Stella di Mario Schifano never was progressive rock in my eyes, rather Psychadelic pop or something like that.
About "Can" I can't really say, because I never heard all the album (Monster Movie), but from what I heard it isn't very progressive too to my ears.
enjoy the weekend people!
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Posted: June 17 2011 at 23:10 |
Einstein wrote:
Thanks for all who helped, due to the hours diffrences I wasn't here all the disscution,
Amon Düül's Phallus Dei really intrests me, never heard on them.
Xhol's first album is quite progressive too in my eyes, at least some of the pieces there.
I don't know, but the Moody Blues and Procol Harum 60's staff never was in my eyes real progressive rock. but that's only my opinion anyway.
also La Stella di Mario Schifano never was progressive rock in my eyes, rather Psychadelic pop or something like that.
About "Can" I can't really say, because I never heard all the album (Monster Movie), but from what I heard it isn't very progressive too to my ears.
enjoy the weekend people! |
I agree with you on all this, but I would also add that I don't really consider most "krautrock" to be "progressive rock" in that it's very different than Yes, Genesis, KC, etc.
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Posted: June 18 2011 at 01:26 |
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^ I agree, Krautrock and German progressive rock are two different things.
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Einstein
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Posted: June 18 2011 at 04:20 |
Everyone has a slightly diffrent defenition to what is progressive rock I guess.
for me at least, progressive rock is not only what is called "Symphonic" as Yes and Genesis, but much more than that, as Jazz inspired music and electronic as the German Krautrock. however I guess I'll agree with both of the users above, since Can's first album is considered Krautrock and it's not progressive at all from what I heard.
I heard a bit Amon Duul II's Phalus Dei though, and it is progressive in my eyes, I have to say.
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Posted: June 18 2011 at 17:02 |
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There are more ways to be progressive, that of English classic prog isn't the only one.
Also, myself I don't tag my German rock albums as Krautrock unless they're progressive (but there's just my pick, there's no objective truth in this issue).
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Posted: June 18 2011 at 20:34 |
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The first Krautrock album was "Psychedelic Underground" by Amon Düül (not Amon Düüll 2). Can's "Delay" was recorded earlier but published years later.
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Posted: June 18 2011 at 20:45 |
BaldFriede wrote:
The first Krautrock album was "Psychedelic Underground" by Amon Düül (not Amon Düüll 2). Can's "Delay" was recorded earlier but published years later. |
Oh wow....that's really bizzare. The first Amon Duul which I have never to this day heard.
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Einstein
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Posted: June 20 2011 at 08:29 |
Thanks a lot everybody, I got my answer!
another thing, which is quite the same actualy, I don't know if to open another post about it (frankly I don't know how to phrase it as a headline so I'll just ask it here):
what about first progressive rock albums from other countries? the main countries that intrests me are France and the Netherlands, as I said in my first messege, (and Spain too actualy, where I'm truely familiar only with mid 70's Triana and great Alameda of the 80's), but any other country will be as equally great .
thanks for all who helps.
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Posted: June 20 2011 at 09:49 |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: June 20 2011 at 09:51 |
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^ lol
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Posted: June 20 2011 at 10:33 |
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^ I know...most people don't get it.....its ok you are forgiven.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: June 20 2011 at 10:41 |
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No, I agree it's an album with progressive qualities, but by 1972 most of what Krautrock had to say had been said, and it's peak in quality had been reached.
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