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Posted: August 09 2011 at 15:31
lazland wrote:
However, there are people who think that anything that remotely smells like a commercial song, let alone sounds like one, is automatically a bad thing. It isn't, but it's probably best to ignore the snipers and carry on enjoying.
here is a regrettable example :
slaughternalia wrote:
Personally, I don't like it at all, along with 80s Rush.
80's Rush is fabulous by the way...
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Posted: May 31 2011 at 14:15
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freyacat wrote:
The real mistake came later on, when Yes attempted to repeat this formula in the 90's. When the electric dreams of the 80's proved just as ephemeral as the hippie utopia of the 70's, the culture was adrift, and musicians still trying to prop up the discredited beast called popular music brought well-deserved scorn upon themselves.
In short, the 80's were a time to pretend to be something other than yourself. Yes and Genesis and King Crimson did so, quite artfully. But when the 90's came, anything that smelled even faintly of inauthenticity was brutally dismissed.
This is not strictly pertinent to the topic but at what point does being authentic also begin to make for boring and somewhat lifeless music? There's an element of playing a part and of suspension of logic in a lot of art. It is necessary sometimes if you want the music to grab you and shake you up because the reality you inhabit is quite evidently not so stirring as to constantly shock you and excite you. Carefully studied approximations of reality are not going to interest a lot of people at the end of day because art is not a left brained pursuit for all constituents of its audience.
To that end, I always felt the 70s were much, much livelier than the 90s and I am now beginning to question the 'conventional wisdom' that the 90s were better than the 80s. I am trying to think of a blockbuster pop equivalent of Purple Rain from the 90s and have so far drawn a blank. If anything, the 90s reinforced the wholly artificial distinction between high art and low art and worse still made this divide well entrenched in popular music forms like rock. And as I referred to earlier, the pursuit of authenticity only led to a cynical dismissal of eminently apt modes of expression and robbed a good deal of life out of music. Of course, there were still plenty, plenty great albums from the 90s and I too count many 90s albums amongst my favourites.
Wise words. Truely - what was mainstream formula of sound which Yes could theoretically apply to their music in the 90s?
Nirvana? Prodigy? Spice Girls? Metallica?
There were melting of mainsream to many-many-many short streams, which ended up in our times lethal crisis of music industry.
Neoprog? But Yes is the prog.
So I think that they were right in 90s.
As to album - it's overrated if you are knew all Yes discography - there were much more impressive albums.
It's underrated if you are too deep in 70s Yes, cause there were impressive songs on 90125 - riffs in "Owner", vioce play in "Leave It"... This music could bring joy to art- prog-rock fan.
And it's correctly noted - for many listeners 90125 opened the world of Yes.
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Posted: May 30 2011 at 22:53
I too love Fragile and South Side of the Sky. It's my favourite Yes ablum along with CttE. Fragile get's somwhat bashed because of the "solo" cuts, but I don't really find them so annoying. Wakeman's bit isn't great, but it isn't terrible either, and it's short enough not to bother (but certainly, he could have done much better than that and elevate Fragile even higher); We have Heaven, well, I actually like it, and it's even shorter than Wakeman's bit; Five Percent for nothing, well, for me that's pretty terrible, but half a minute, that doesn't do any harm to the album at all; The Fish is actually great, as far as I'm concerned, and for me Long Distance runaround isn't complete without that other song following it; and Mood for a day is actually a really cool piece of acoustic guitar playing.
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Posted: May 30 2011 at 17:21
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Upon careful consideration, I actually believe that "Fragile" may be the most under-rated Yes album. The thing is amazing, yet usually gets passed up in discussions for CTTE and TFTO.
"South Side of the Sky"....whew!! This is the album where Yes really threw out the stops for the first time.
Couldn't agree more! South Side Of The Sky introduced Yes to me and guided me to prog music. Just love that album!
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Posted: May 30 2011 at 14:34
Upon careful consideration, I actually believe that "Fragile" may be the most under-rated Yes album. The thing is amazing, yet usually gets passed up in discussions for CTTE and TFTO.
"South Side of the Sky"....whew!! This is the album where Yes really threw out the stops for the first time.
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Posted: May 30 2011 at 08:38
lazland wrote:
N-sz wrote:
If someone were to describe it basically to me:
80s, dance music, disco, etc. I would say, "no thanks", and would be pretty much sure that I wouldn't like it.
However, I heard two songs from it on a compilation cd, and despite being all of those things that I don't like and is undeniably cheesy, I say that it is undeniably creative too!
I hardly even know what disco is, but my guess is that 90125 is about as progressive and disco can be.
90125 bears as much relation to disco as I do to a sexy supermodel.
I think the disco link is there because Jon Anderson sings "move yourself; you are the steps you take" in Owner Of A Lonely Heart
Just joking, as was Vibrationbaby who brought up the disco thing, I think.
I do think Steve Howe is at least right for some part when he says that the emphasis on '70's Yes was melody, and the emphasis of '80's Yes was rhythm. He's not completely right, but not completely wrong, too.
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Posted: May 30 2011 at 05:13
N-sz wrote:
If someone were to describe it basically to me:
80s, dance music, disco, etc. I would say, "no thanks", and would be pretty much sure that I wouldn't like it.
However, I heard two songs from it on a compilation cd, and despite being all of those things that I don't like and is undeniably cheesy, I say that it is undeniably creative too!
I hardly even know what disco is, but my guess is that 90125 is about as progressive and disco can be.
90125 bears as much relation to disco as I do to a sexy supermodel.
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Posted: May 29 2011 at 16:02
If someone were to describe it basically to me:
80s, dance music, disco, etc. I would say, "no thanks", and would be pretty much sure that I wouldn't like it.
However, I heard two songs from it on a compilation cd, and despite being all of those things that I don't like and is undeniably cheesy, I say that it is undeniably creative too!
I hardly even know what disco is, but my guess is that 90125 is about as progressive and disco can be.
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Posted: May 27 2011 at 09:51
I do think it is the most underrated Yes - album. I think 90125 is quite brilliant, een though it's not as "progressive" as the '70's albums. I think it's more underrated than the first two Yes albums, which are also fantastic, but those albums get a higher rating than 90125.
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Posted: May 27 2011 at 06:52
The_Jester wrote:
It's too popish. Not a lot of prog in this album. It's not bad but not proggie enough for Yes.
I don't necessarily buy this pop is bad, rock is good attitude. There is good pop and bad rock. The real problem with 90125 is more specifically that there is too much AOR influence and that's one genre I really cannot stomach.
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Posted: August 09 2011 at 15:33
80's Rush is fabulous by the way...
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