Bravo, President Obama!

Nice to see someone not on the Let's-bash-Obama bandwagon; best US prez since Kennedy?   Pretty much.

^ Where does it say that? We must have a wealth of political threads on the forum.

I've loved having Obama as our president.  He's actually trying to make change for the better as opposed to just riding the ship or getting us into conflicts with other parts of the nation that takes over a decade to fix.  When trying to make a significant impact on the nation as a whole, you're going to piss some people off (and he certainly has), but his heart is in the right place and he's been able to right a lot of wrongs from the previous administration. 

Here's how one Canadian journalist felt after the mid-term elections back in November.  http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/The-Vote/2014/1110/After-midterm-sweep-Canadian-asks-What-were-you-thinking-America

On a related/unrelated note, I just realized that I'm a rare liberal NASCAR fan.


Edited by MillsLayne - February 08 2015 at 23:16

The one thing Obama has in common with all his predecessors is that he won't touch the rich, and by the rich I mean the actual rich, not the middle class.

It's the same in the UK, all our main parties are too chicken sh*t to take on anyone with billions to their name. These are the people who shape politcal policy essentially with bribes. The poor have nothing to bribe the politcal class with, and that is why they will always suffer. They have no representation.

As for Obama, he's not my president. I'm not sure what he stands for tbh. In the liberal media he is adored to the point of almost religious psychosis. In the more rightist media, he is portrayed as actually evil; trying to take Amercia apart by deliberately bankrupting it so it can be taken over either by a communist global system, or by Goldman Sachs.

Which is it..?

Edited by Blacksword - February 09 2015 at 10:53

Blacksword wrote: The one thing Obama has in common with all his predecessors is that he won't touch the rich, and by the rich I mean the actual rich, not the middle class. It's the same in the UK, all our main parties are too chicken sh*t to take on anyone with billions to their name. These are the people who shape politcal policy essentially with bribes. The poor have nothing to bribe the politcal class with, and that is why they will always suffer. They have no representation. As for Obama, he's not my president. I'm not sure what he stands for tbh. In the liberal media he is adored to the point of almost religious psychosis. In the more rightist media, he is portrayed as actually evil; trying to take Amercia apart by deliberately bankrupting it so it can be takne over either by a communist global system. Which is it..?

I guess we'll never know, especially since there is still a school of people that do not believe anything the media tells them, which makes them look a bit like conspiracy nuts. Somebody, tell me I'm wrong.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - February 09 2015 at 07:53

Svetonio wrote: the legalization of marijuana

lol Obama had nothing to do with this

Blacksword wrote: The one thing Obama has in common with all his predecessors is that he won't touch the rich, and by the rich I mean the actual rich, not the middle class. It's the same in the UK, all our main parties are too chicken sh*t to take on anyone with billions to their name. These are the people who shape politcal policy essentially with bribes. The poor have nothing to bribe the politcal class with, and that is why they will always suffer. They have no representation.

True. There are Democrats that care about taking on bankers and getting money out of politics, but we all know it takes money to get into office. So the whole Citizens United issue really feels like the death knell for true representative democracy. Although it must be said Democrats by and large are the only ones who actually enact policies that benefit the poor. It's just a shame so many poor rural Republicans buy into the vicious hype that Democrats want to take your jobs and feed them to the socialism or whatever. I guess it's the discrepancy between rural and urban poor.

Anyway, I'm not the biggest fan of Obama just because he middles about so much, is so passionless, that when he tries to rouse you (The State of the Union) it just feels disingenuous. I do like his social program agenda, but as with everything, it will all be blocked by Republicans in the name of budget cuts. All the while they try to get corporate gains tax reduced and fight tooth and nail to prevent raising the minimum wage, despite that wage having the lowest buying power is has had in decades.

If you can't guess there's no chance I'll be voting for a Republican any time soon. The party is controlled by fringe elements and ideologues, and I simply cannot contribute to them getting more power, even if a particular candidate is reasonable.

Edit: On a different note: I generally think the perceived success or failure of a president is due mostly to elements beyond his/her control. It could be latent effects of policies from predecessors, or unforeseen economic booms or busts (Obama's presidency is largely defined by his reaction to actions made by money lenders), global turmoil and warfare, and the cooperation of the Congress. As a figurehead and leader of the military he does have great influence and power, but without the gears spinning with Congress--a luxury Obama has almost never fully enjoyed--a president will always be less influential than his title would suggest. For my perspective, a vast majority of the ineffectiveness of Obama as a president is due to gridlock from a frankly evil Republican block in Congress that works simply to stop Democrats from achieving anything, to the detriment of this country. Couple that with the negativity and propaganda from the Media Wing of the Republican party, and you have an electorate that truly hates Obama. Why, exactly? Socialism? Out of touch? Unamerican? Who can reflect on the reasons why and give a rational reason?


Edited by stonebeard - February 09 2015 at 11:02

Meet the new boss......same as the old boss......money. Obama had nothing to do with legalizing weed. It was grass roots effort. When states realize what a cash cow it is they will fall in line with Washington and Colorado. All presidents are lame ducks. When you trace the money trail to its very end that is where the power will be found.

While I don't agree 100% with everything he's done, he's a hell of a lot better than his predecessor.

Padraic wrote: Svetonio wrote: the legalization of marijuana   lol Obama had nothing to do with this

But he did inhale, didn't he?