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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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I can't understand you. This is not about me!!! I am a very bad guy and you right!!! I dont forced any one to waste their time in this post. If You don't like me and my challenge style, ok you don't waste your time. I ask a clear question about a OBJECTIVE thing. I must explain about some thing for you 1 - I am a Prog Rock fan over 30 years and learn about how pay mo money for music. 2 - Please talk about Edison's Children new album. Are you listen or not and if your answer is yes what is your opinion? Is this a Studio album? 3 - You advice me to use BANDCAMP or ... I suggest many new bands in PA and some of them accepted in PA. this show I know these sites and blogs. 4 - I never try to change definitions!!! I said about categorize and some friends give their HONEST opinion about this question but you try to analyze my character and personage !! why? |
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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Thanks so much. You got my point. I 100% agree.
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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I am CS huge fan and I wrote a comment in Progfreak for your second album. I like to talk about CS in another thread and with positive Atmosphere. Unfortunately some guys don't answer my question and attack to me. I really upset about this kind of discuss. You got my point in first time and wrote your opinion. I appreciated and thanks again.
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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I forget to say that I have Unscrewed and honestly I enjoy so much. Thanks again. see you
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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Thank you. I listen to EC new released and I like them too but I disagree with you about album or not. 3 version of one song !! I like EC so much but IMO this is not a Studio Album. Thanks for your time and answer.
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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Why you moved this thread? can you explain?
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23122 |
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Hi Omid
I moved it before because it fits in here better. You are asking for PA to change something about itself, so this is the proper place ![]() |
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aliano ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 01 2013 Location: A musty corner Status: Offline Points: 264 |
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Actually as Lazland said the new EC album is not a compilation nor a new studio album.It's as he said a bridge album!Maybe PA needs a new category named Bridge Album
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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You right. But I can't find it easily . Maybe this happen for others that want to continue this discuss and they can't find it.
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The Bearded Bard ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 24 2012 Location: Behind the Sun Status: Offline Points: 12859 |
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I think we all get your point, we just don't all agree with you that the album should be regarded a compilation album and not a studio album. With just 31 min. of new music, i.e. of never before released material, excluding never before heard remixes of old songs, it's a bit on the short side for a studio album, but it's over the limit of an EP (25 min.), and there's been studio albums in the past that's been, if not shorter, at least not very much longer. The band calls it a "bridge album", as it's not a concept album in the typical Edison's Children vein. As long as the band don't call it a compilation album, I think it's fine in studio albums.
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23122 |
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Luckily so this part of the forum is not very busy. I think you have a bigger chance of members seeing this here than in the prog lounge, where it almost certainly would 'disappear' among the more active threads. As for your op: I agree with Audun (The Bearded Bard) who just posted. 31 minutes of brand new music is sufficient enough for PA to categorise it as a studio album. Hell I have a fair few albums, studio no less, that are shorter than that. I see no reason to change our definitions. Edited by Guldbamsen - August 16 2015 at 10:13 |
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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I swear to god I don't talk about CHANGING definition!!! I JUST talked about changing category of this kind of albums specially Edison's Children last album!! I can give you more examples. But I afraid!!!
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23122 |
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Alright then take it easy (maybe it's PA who should be afraid
![]() I still don't see the need for it to be honest. It's a new album with new material though with a bit extra music in the bargain. Adding a whole category for what basically just is a new studio release with extra padding is in my humble opinion overkill. All people have to do is to click on the given release and then they will be able to see what it contains. |
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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IMO Edison's Children's "Somewhere Between Here And There" not be a "Studio Album" but I respect to you and Your opinion. Thanks
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Because it is the PA collabs' mandate (from M@X) to list the artists entire discography regardless of format. This includes singles, EPs, fan-club releases, demos and even flexi-discs. Using the logic that the songs can be found readily on studio albums should we not permit reviews of compilations and VA samplers too? Anyway... Not all bands lifted tracks off their latest album to release as singles (Strawberry Fields, Paperback Writer, Day Tripper, Hey Jude, Apples and Oranges, See Emily Play, Arnold Lane, Apples and Oranges, It Would Be So Nice, Point Me At The Sky, etc.). Often the single version was an edit, different recording or a different mix. Also, b-sides were often tracks not found on albums. That all these different non-album tracks later appear on compilations is immaterial. It used to irk me that some folk only reviewed the a-side and failed to mention the b-side and that others "reviewed" a single when it is clear that they've never actually heard the particular version that was released on 45, but now I just shrug and move on. |
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Angelo ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
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Hmmm... pretty obvious what the problem is here. I'll take this to a PM, so we don't further waste other member's time on this.
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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Hi Angelo. I want explain to you and other friends about this thread: 1 - Angelo right about challenge . Post "TITLE" is wrong and I must choose another Title to show my opinion clearly. This title may make misunderstanding. I don't want say "changing definition " . I talk about changing category of some Released material and ... You right Angelo and pardon me. 2 - Angelo right about Objective. This is not Objective case.This is a Subjective case. You right again Angelo. 3 - I don't proud to suggesting bands in PA. Honestly I tried to gave Angelo one fact to proof that I Know Bandcamp or this kind of sites . I never proud to suggesting or introducing bands. Finally I stand on my opinion about Edison's Children's " Somewhere Between Here And There ". This is not a Studio Album but this can be a Boxset or Compilation . Please listen and check that then give me your opinions if you like. Thanks for your time and one great sorry to Angelo.
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13872 |
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^ My dear chap. I have listened to the Edison's Children album. It is not a box set - it only has the one disc. It is not a compilation - it has new tracks, and new versions of old tracks. It is not a live album, although it does contain one live track (from Wolverhampton, if you are interested). It is not a various artists album, although it does feature other artists on top of Blackwood and Trewavas.
That leaves us, then, with only one possible contender, ergo a studio album. |
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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Honestly Interesting Point . BUT IMO in these cases we must choose nearest category. I can ignore 2 or 3 tracks of 12-13 tracks album but in this case we have over 50% remixes or versions of tracks. you see album's track list . Full of (X mix) or (X version) . IMO this is not a New Studio Album.
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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Thanks. If everybody got my points, Why they gave to me Album's Definition?! In this time you right. You can review this thread and replies. You have your point and I want to say reasonable Point but not enough for me. As I said before you can see 2-3 version of one track and honestly when I compare versions I reach to Original track. I mean main track better than all versions of that track!! I know this is subjective and not about our discussion.
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