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Currently listening to The Mars Volta and Frances The Mute - that has sax on it, especially on Con Safo.
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Oh my!  Try Gong "You," featuring the amazing French saxophone player Didier Malherbe (Bloomdido Bad de Grass). 

He rips it wide open about 1:28 on this classic track!  


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Originally posted by ForestFriend ForestFriend wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

I do NOT look at ANY music, because of one instrument or another. SPECIALLY PROGRESSIVE, which is not about the instrument (definition sux on that one!), but the complete musical design and its beauty.

I find it sad, to think of one piece of music is this or that ... because of this or that ... 

It's not about the instrument ... it's about how it is integrated into the musical piece ... to be fair to the composer, you should not "see" or "hear" a saxophone ... you should hear a well done and put together piece of music!

But song folks want their gueetar solo ... I hope more folks like Frank put the guitar down and conduct the concert ... maybe it will show these people what music is and isn't.


While yes it's important that a piece of music is well written, it's simply plain silly and quite ignorant to completely discount the idea of using different instruments to paint pictures with different tonal colours. Nobody's saying that a song is better with or without a saxophone, but sometimes it's interesting to hear the different uses of it and it will help someone discover new songs.

I suppose you must think Maurice Ravel is a hack because he wrote a piece of music with only two melodies and decided that changing up the instrumentation with each repetition made enough variety for the piece to last around 15 minutes.

What you're saying is about as silly as saying the only thing that matters in film is the script. Forget about the camera work, wardrobe, setting, acting abilities, lighting, none of that matters! Of course, good film makers will use all the factors to help tell their story.


Actually, I believe I read some time that Ravel rather disliked (or hated) Bolero, since it was written only as an excercise. And to think that is mainly the reason he is remembered (at least by those of us who are not classical music freaks).
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King Crimson and Mel Collins have already been mentioned, and I guess they are already known by the OP, but just in case you haven't checked themo out, grab some of their live albums by the newest line-up, since they are adding some nice sax (or flutes) to songs that didn't originally have them.
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Maxophone!!!
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If you want sax, check out a young new band called Trioscapes...a bass/drums/rocket-fueled demonic sax power trio, not unlike an all-instrumental Mars Volta..!
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

21st Century Schizoid Man by KC. The first and best!

Nope. The band Family had saxophone too and they predated KC.
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Well, that's why I specified that I wanted songs that used it in a meaningful way. I'm not just going to like a song because of the saxophone element if everything else is awful. I was simply curious about other bands which applied it meaningfully in some songs, that's all.
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Originally posted by ForestFriend ForestFriend wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

I do NOT look at ANY music, because of one instrument or another. SPECIALLY PROGRESSIVE, which is not about the instrument (definition sux on that one!), but the complete musical design and its beauty.

I find it sad, to think of one piece of music is this or that ... because of this or that ... 

It's not about the instrument ... it's about how it is integrated into the musical piece ... to be fair to the composer, you should not "see" or "hear" a saxophone ... you should hear a well done and put together piece of music!

But song folks want their gueetar solo ... I hope more folks like Frank put the guitar down and conduct the concert ... maybe it will show these people what music is and isn't.


While yes it's important that a piece of music is well written, it's simply plain silly and quite ignorant to completely discount the idea of using different instruments to paint pictures with different tonal colours. Nobody's saying that a song is better with or without a saxophone, but sometimes it's interesting to hear the different uses of it and it will help someone discover new songs.

I suppose you must think Maurice Ravel is a hack because he wrote a piece of music with only two melodies and decided that changing up the instrumentation with each repetition made enough variety for the piece to last around 15 minutes.

What you're saying is about as silly as saying the only thing that matters in film is the script. Forget about the camera work, wardrobe, setting, acting abilities, lighting, none of that matters! Of course, good film makers will use all the factors to help tell their story.

It's Mosh, pushing the same old tired psychobabble since 1967. Don't get him started or he'll start prattling on about his literary ancestors down to the 50th generation, or how music is about the "hits", or how he never got married because he gave it all up for his one true muse, poetry (that and women probably run from him like the plague the moment he lights up his hand-dipped bees-wax patchouli-scented psychedelic candles).

When he says "you should not "see" or "hear" a saxophone", he is trying to articulate the nonsense floating about in the cobwebbed corridors of his mind. Much music, and prog, like classical or jazz music, relies on the players both meshing together AND soloing at an elite level. Does he denigrate soloists like Yehudi Menuhin, Itzhak Perlman, Van Cliburn, Maria João Pires, Pablo Casals or Segovia who were absolutely required to offer stunning instrumentality in a solo venture based on the composer's guidelines? What about Miles Daves or Wes Montgomery? Were they just supposed to play rhythm and not solo?

A dumb proposition, and one so repetitive I suggest you cut and paste a previous post rather than waste time typing out a new one.


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I think of Mel Collins' contributions to Crimso' and Phil Manzanera/801. Was lucky enough to see him live with the 21st Century Schizoid Band.
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Jethro Tull's A Passion Play and War Child.
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Forgot to mention Cardiacs with Sarah Smith on sax. As choice of song, I will go with "The Whole World Window".
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A Live Album by Camel has Mel Collins on saxophone and some of the older songs are enhanced by the addition of sax IMO.

Also check out Rain Dances by Camel.
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Frank Zappa (& the MOI). Frank regularly used sax. So regularly that it’s hard to pick out one piece in particular to highlight. I liked Napoleon Murphy Brock the best.

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Supertramp's Fool's Overture (yeah, yeah, it's Crossover, but still great listening!)
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IQ for their SHOOTING ANGELS track. 

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The bands that come to mind for me are: 

Gentle Giant (through Free Hand)
Van der Graaf Generator
Gong
Audience
King Crimson (early)
Roxy Music
Henry Cow
Hawkwind
Jethro Tull (Passion Play - War Child era).

Also jazzier groups like The Square (T-Square) and The Rippingtons. 


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Nothing wrong with having a penchant for particular instruments and some music can fit certain instruments better than others. I love the saxophone, and love Comus' "The Return" (off of Out of the Coma), but I think that I would have preferred a different instrument in place of the sax in that song.

Edited by Logan - November 06 2018 at 07:50
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Another Day by Dream Theater

Jay Beckenstein of Spyro Gyra owned BearTracks Studios where DT was recording Images and Words at the time and he plays sax on this song.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

I do NOT look at ANY music, because of one instrument or another. SPECIALLY PROGRESSIVE, which is not about the instrument (definition sux on that one!), but the complete musical design and its beauty.

I find it sad, to think of one piece of music is this or that ... because of this or that ... 

It's not about the instrument ... it's about how it is integrated into the musical piece ... to be fair to the composer, you should not "see" or "hear" a saxophone ... you should hear a well done and put together piece of music!

But song folks want their gueetar solo ... I hope more folks like Frank put the guitar down and conduct the concert ... maybe it will show these people what music is and isn't.


While yes it's important that a piece of music is well written, it's simply plain silly and quite ignorant to completely discount the idea of using different instruments to paint pictures with different tonal colours. Nobody's saying that a song is better with or without a saxophone, but sometimes it's interesting to hear the different uses of it and it will help someone discover new songs.

I suppose you must think Maurice Ravel is a hack because he wrote a piece of music with only two melodies and decided that changing up the instrumentation with each repetition made enough variety for the piece to last around 15 minutes.

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