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    Posted: December 03 2018 at 11:13
Prog rock pioneer or a psychedelic coincidence?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2018 at 12:03
I don't know... It sure made an impression and probably opened some sonic doors for other young british rockers. Its most definitely progressive but so many were that aren't nessecarely "prog rock pioneers". I associate the whole approach/sound/feel with UK early protoprog/progrelated and might have guessed 1970 rather than 1968. But its mainly a great "anything goes" rock-album that stands out with lots of personality, solid songwriting and slightly eccentric arrangements.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snicolette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2018 at 12:23
Certainly there are pretty deep roots in prog stemming from psychedelia.  And the following LPs,  Fearless and Bandstand are undoubtedly progressive..Certainly ahead of it's time.  However, still far from being an expert in all of the subgenres herein, that is what I have to contribute to the conversation at this point.  Good topic for discussion.

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Who knows, listening to it for the first time because of this topic though and it's very enjoyable!
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More psych than prog imho....always liked Family and the first might be their best.
I play this and the second one from time to time.
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Just today I have written my review of Music From... 

This is the beginning: 
The Family with this album have influenced Genesis, the singing of Peter Gabriel, Jethro Tull, Yes, Gentle Giant and who knows how many other progressive bands. It was 1968: the Beatles published the White Album, the Rolling Stones Beggar's Banquet, the Who Tommy, and the Kinks Village Green Preservation Society; the Pink Floyd Saucerful of Secrets. The Family published a collage album where there was rock, folk, blues, space rock like Pink Floyd's sound, symphonic music, and gypsy and Indian sounds: in fact, with this album the Family, invented the various genres of the progressive rock. The Beatles of Sgt Pepper and the Floyds of The Piper were completely overcome in the progressive sense and art rock: nothing is trivial here, nothing is pop, as well as arranged, as in those two albums of 1967.

In my opinion, Family are great prog pioneers.
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I saw that, and wondered which came first, your review or this thread?  Nontheless, thank you for a thoughtful and knowledgeable review.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Prog rock pioneer or a psychedelic coincidence?

Psychedelic coincidence? Not sure what you mean.It is an example of a psych album that took elements of what later became known as prog. How's that? Or how about just proto prog(much of which had psych elements anyway).


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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Just today I have written my review of Music From... 

This is the beginning: 
The Family with this album have influenced Genesis, the singing of Peter Gabriel, Jethro Tull, Yes, Gentle Giant and who knows how many other progressive bands. It was 1968: the Beatles published the White Album, the Rolling Stones Beggar's Banquet, the Who Tommy, and the Kinks Village Green Preservation Society; the Pink Floyd Saucerful of Secrets. The Family published a collage album where there was rock, folk, blues, space rock like Pink Floyd's sound, symphonic music, and gypsy and Indian sounds: in fact, with this album the Family, invented the various genres of the progressive rock. The Beatles of Sgt Pepper and the Floyds of The Piper were completely overcome in the progressive sense and art rock: nothing is trivial here, nothing is pop, as well as arranged, as in those two albums of 1967.

In my opinion, Family are great prog pioneers.

Yeah, only Tommy was released in 69 not 68. The Who actually had a rock opera before Tommy called A quick one while he's a way. Also, the Pretty Things released an album some call early prog(also considered a rock opera)called S.F. Sorrow in 1968. 


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I certainly acknowledge its influence but I guess I think considering Doll's House "the beginning" is a bit of a stretch... I think some tend to look back and overestimaste the impact some of these early entries had - including Clouds and The Nice. By the time of its release The Mothers of Invention had already released four hugely influential albums that were actually noticed, bought and played by people. Listening to From Genesis to Revelation I associate it more with Moody Blues/Bee Gees than Family. On Trespass you can hear that King Crimson had released (the much more influential) In the Court... in between.  


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one of Genesis' more overt influences for their FGTR along with Traffic's Mr Fantasy
 
(mich more so than Bee Gees, IMHO)
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Prog rock pioneer or a psychedelic coincidence?

Psychedelic coincidence? Not sure what you mean..
I don't know what I mean either. ;)

Edited by SteveG - December 04 2018 at 04:07
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Hi,

I like ANYWAY a lot more and find this period (which had John Wetton in his early days) not as exciting for me, and then the last 3 albums being totally exciting and far out, and that Guy in Santa Barbara wore out all of these albums senseless, because they were/are excellent all around with magnificent guitar work, which continued with Chappo in STREETWALKERS.

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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I certainly acknowledge its influence but I guess I think considering Doll's House "the beginning" is a bit of a stretch... I think some tend to look back and overestimaste the impact some of these early entries had - including Clouds and The Nice. By the time of its release The Mothers of Invention had already released four hugely influential albums that were actually noticed, bought and played by people. Listening to From Genesis to Revelation I associate it more with Moody Blues/Bee Gees than Family. On Trespass you can hear that King Crimson had released (the much more influential) In the Court... in between.  

With "The beginning" I meant the beginning of my review, that I have copied down the phrase.

I agree with you that there were many influences: if we consider only UK, Nice, Procol Harum and Moody Blues on one side, and Pink Floyd and Family on the other. But I guess The Family's music in the 1968 
was very ecletic, not only psychedelia. In my opinion Music from a Doll's House contains the seeds of almost every genre and form develop in the progressive rock. So, If I had to think of the real beginning of progressive, I would choose In The Court of... 1969.

PS Peter Gabriel said he took inspiration from the singing of Roger Chapman. 
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

I saw that, and wondered which came first, your review or this thread?  Nontheless, thank you for a thoughtful and knowledgeable review.

I posted my review at 10,37 and, as you can see, SteveG created this thread at 11.13.


Edited by jamesbaldwin - December 04 2018 at 08:40
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The peak of the album, for me, is the sequence

Peace of Mind /Voyage:

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A perennial favourite lp from one of my all time favourite groups; and in my mind tops Family Entainment which followed.. It was 'Entertainment' along with ITCOTCK and some Procol Harum lps that Richard MacPhail brought to the Cottage where Genesis all lived together prior to recording Trespass..
One of the things that set Family a bit apart was the provincial background of the band, coming from the area around Leicester- the 'Scene' (using that phrase in its 60's meaning) was predominantly London based and very much middle class, Art School.. Family were (to use their phrase) a bunch of 'Scruffy Herberts' from the sticks.. before becoming Family (The Family) they were The Farinas and then the Roaring 60's.. much more hard R&B like the Pretty things and at one point they used to wear Italian mafia get ups! Roger Chapman's aggressive stage persona and the strange selection of instrumentation made audiences nervous and they had to work REALLY hard to get some of the limelight which came so easily to others. I think this provincial 'hunger' and work ethic to get noticed also applied to the Moody Blues..
Music in a dolls house benefited from Dave Mason's involvement in that (A) Traffic were a big deal (B) he helped and guided them through the production process (C) had access to Mellotrons and Sitars and probably most importantly(D) he had access to the best weed.. The only downside to Mason's involvement is the song he 'contributed' 'Never like this' which is the weakest on the lp and much like what he was writing for Traffic at the time. Of course they had the 2 best engineers of the era looking after things in the forms of Eddie Kramer and George Chkiantz..
Its a period piece; there is no other lp quite like it.. is it prog etc etc? who cares. Was it influential? yes definitely but subtly though they were always a bit too eccentric and rough around the edges for the mainstream to accept. John Peel really rated Family right from the start and (unlike some bands) stayed with them right through their career.. He appreciated that rough edge as sign of genuine passion and creativity.
My final comment is that the 1967 first single 'Scene through the eye of a lens' which didn't make it on to the original lp is just fantastic, one of the most telling debuts from any band.

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The original photo insert that went with the first batch of pressings.. 

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