The American Politics Thread

also noted as as long predicted... looks like Texas will be in play in 2020...Beto 2018 obviously NOT a blip on the radar.. note even HRC cut the Obama 2012 losing deficit in half in 2016...  that can be, and you heard it here first, will be the death nell of the Republican Party. See California for the what the demographic changes and how badly the Republican Party have played them for what is coming for Texas.

 They lose it, and they are, the Republicans lose any realistic path to the White House and become a de facto rump regional party. until they blow up the party that is.. and stop being the Republican Party. Best do it before a 3rd party comes and takes their place at the 2 party table. One that has national appeal, broad appeal, not just reliance on playing White Identity bigoted politics of fear.

this was as I said. .. much to to do about nothing. It was political theater.. and was nothing that wasn't already known already especially taken into account what is known about the DOJ and their 'person of interest' and soon to be indicted President of the United States.

this was all about the show.. politics...  what really matters however... is the legal end of this.  The Democrats are not going to impeach him.. that is akin to taking a baseball bat to a baby seal alone out of the ice. Sure it might be a mercy .. but god help you once the leftists hear of it.  Same with Trump.. he is dead man walking.. why impeach him and do him a favor and make it politcal and politize it.. when the very reaspected and apolitical DOJ.. whom only idiot Trump supporters think is partisan or political will do hard work for them at zero poltical cost other than offending a few radical lefties who want to impeach Trump now.. Pelosi is too smart to let that happen. But this was a show that was too good to pass up... 

Darkelf: I agree, but why on earth bother to bring in Cohen to testify about something Muller can prove anytime?

Cohen's testimony just muddies the waters. They'd have been better off without him.

Seriously guys, what's going on? I seem to be regarded by some people as belonging to the Trump supporter

camp for some reason I can't fathom. My view is, and has been for years now that Trump should be held

accountable and convicted as soon as possible. He's a terrible person, as are the members of his administration,

and should be locked away and the key melted down. I've been quite clear about that. So what did I say to

upset people? I'm puzzled and I'd really like to  know.

Darkelf: It seems you misunderstood me. I was expressing my doubt about the validity of anything Michael

Cohen says, not because I personally doubt his words, but because if you want to have a credible witness
against Donald Trump, you'd have to do better than having Cohen testify.

The problem is that Cohen is a proven liar, and just because it this point of time he happens to say what I (or

possibly we) believe to be the truth, I can't just declare a breakpoint and say: OK, this is what I want to hear,

so it's valid and believable. Heaven knows what he might say if, for instance, Trump would start dangling

pardons about again.

If we're unlucky, this might even backfire by having the republicans hold up his testimony as 'proof' that a liar

is now testifying against Trump, and therefore Trump must be innocent.

As for his conviction: it is possible for Cohen to have his sentence reduced through appeal to the judge, if he

can present himself as a reliable, credible, and helpful witness even after his conviction. That's quite an

incentive to roll over and play the good boy.

Evidently, you don't care. What you should be asking yourself is why everyone in the Trump sphere has been convicted of lying...for Trump. Cohen was convicted for a number of things, one of them was lying for Trump. Cohen has already been sentenced. He is not getting his sentenced reduced by appearing before Congress again, so that stupid right-wing take is just a nonsensical diversion. He lied before Congress to protect Trump, he was caught in the lie by Mueller (who already knows what the truth is), and now he is being forced to tell the truth in public.

So, it seems you are okay that Trump has lied about committing obstruction of justice, lied about paying off sexual liaisons during the 2016 elections because that information would have harmed his chances (and I would suggest that news that Trump slept with a porn star while his wife was nursing a newborn would certainly have affected many voters), knowingly falsified federal financial disclosures, and blatantly lied about doing business with Russia during the election (which he denied numerous times).

You are okay with that, right? Having read court transcripts from any number of RICO cases where mob bosses have been found guilty of racketeering by being implicated by convicted subordinates who did the boss's bidding, I don't really see any difference. Boss Tweet has been implicated by his Scammany Hall underlings on more than one occasion. Cohen is just a piece of the puzzle.

 

I do hope he gets crushed in the BIGGEST landslide EVER!