Porcupine Tree: The Great Debate |
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SteveG
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Post Prog.
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chopper
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I would say they started off kind of spacey and went heavy, but overall it doesn't really matter. As someone else said, we need tags rather than specific genre assignments.
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Cristi
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Psychedelic Paul
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That's an interesting suggestion. I never thought of that, although I COULD include Post Prog in the poll if you want to vote for it. I could swap Post Rock for Post Prog.
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Cristi
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I find your constant changing poll options just to please everyone rather apalling. When or if you feel someone might come with a different opinion, just make a(n) "other" option. And "post prog" is I believe a silly answer on Steve's part. . |
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digdug
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Heavy works fine
as someone said above all of the options are OK except for Neo and Post
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Prog On!
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Cambus741
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the heavier end of progressive rock
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Psychedelic Paul
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I'm not able to add additional options to the poll once it's been posted, so the only way I can add another option is by swapping it with an existing genre. There IS a genre called Post-Progressive, so it's a perfectly reasonable proposition that Porcupine Tree could be considered Post-Progressive and I'm assuming Steve's answer was honest and genuine. If Steve's suggestion wasn't meant to be taken seriously, then he probably would have posted a smiley face next to his "Post Prog" suggestion. Logan has very kindly set it up so we can edit our own polls now and I'm making the best use of that handy additional feature. I wasn't able to edit my polls initially when I signed up here last month.
Edited by Psychedelic Paul - October 21 2019 at 08:23 |
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omphaloskepsis
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Their first few albums are psychedelic/Space but the majority is Heavy.
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Cristi
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Oh my god, you haven't understood a word I said. Let me try again. In the future, when you wanna make a poll, if you think some users may come up with something different, make the last option simply say "other". As for post-prog, it's the first time I see it used, that's why I thought it's a joke. PA genres not good enough for you Paul? |
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Psychedelic Paul
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Christi, if you take a look at the beginning of this thread then you'll see I selected Heavy Prog as the closest description of Porcupine Tree's diverse music, which just happens to be the same genre as listed on ProgArchives, so why would you ask sarcastically if PA's genre selections aren't good enough for me?
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Cristi
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So you finally paid attention to PA genres It's a start I guess. |
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TerLJack
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Well that's the problem with musicians, innit?
Not content to just stay in their genres. The nerve.
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SteveG
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Post-progressiveFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Post-Progressive) Jump to navigationJump to search
Post-progressive is a type of rock music[1] distinguished from vintage progressive rock styles, specifically 1970s prog.[2] Post-progressive draws upon newer developments in popular music and the avant-garde since the mid-1970s.[2] It especially draws from ethnic musics and minimalism, elements which were new to rock music.[3][4] It is different from neo-progressive rock in that neo-prog pastiches 1970s prog, while "post-progressive" identifies progressive rock music that stems from sources other than prog.[2] < ="toctoggle" id="toctoggle" role="" style="display: none;" =""> ContentsDefinition[edit]Further information: Progressive music See also: Progressive rock "Post-progressive" is rock music which distinguishes itself from the persistent style of 1970s prog, seeking a return to the genre's original principles.[2] The "post" is meant to acknowledge the development of other forms of avant-garde and popular music since the mid 1970s; it does not reference "postmodernism".[2] Purveyors explicitly embrace new computer technologies and sounds.[6] Some post-progressive bands still draw upon selective aspects of vintage prog, even as they actively seek to distance themselves from the style.[7] Particular influences on latter-20th century post-progressive artists include Jimi Hendrix, Frank Zappa, the Beatles, and King Crimson.[8] In the opinion of King Crimson's Robert Fripp, progressive music was an attitude, not a style. He believed that genuinely "progressive" music pushes stylistic and conceptual boundaries outwards through the appropriation of procedures from classical music or jazz, and that once "progressive rock" ceased to cover new ground – becoming a set of conventions to be repeated and imitated – the genre's premise had ceased to be "progressive".[9] According to Paul Hegarty and Martin Halliwell, post-progressive did not directly derive from psychedelia, folk, and jazz as prog rock did, instead citing "explicit reference points of post-progressive music" lying within ambient, folk rock, forms of jazz, krautrock, the minimalism of New York art rock, and electronic music.[2] Academic Kevin Holm-Hudson argues that "progressive rock is a style far more diverse than what is heard from its mainstream groups and what is implied by unsympathetic critics ... [one may] wonder where progressive rock 'ends' and becomes psychedelia, free jazz, experimental art music, or heavy metal."[7] He categorizes post-progressive as a subgenre of progressive rock, whereas post-rock is a subgenre of alternative rock.[10] Nosound's Giancarlo Erra believes that "post-prog"—deployed by the label Kscope—denotes a mixture of progressive rock and post-rock.[11] Hegarty and Halliwell note: "Post-progressive identifies progressive rock that stems from sources other than progressive rock. This does not spread the net to include all avant-rock from the 1980s and 1990s ... post-progressive rock feeds a more explicit return to prog: in other words, a return that is not one. This trend is best exemplified by two British avant-rock acts of the 1980s and early 1990s: David Sylvian and Talk Talk."[12] History[edit]For more background and context, see Progressive rock § Decline and fragmentation. See also: New wave Brian Eno in the 1970s Post-progressive's beginning may be located after 1978.[13] Author Bill Martin argues that Robert Fripp, Bill Laswell, and Peter Gabriel could all be considered transitional figures in post-progressive rock, crediting Brian Eno as the music's most important catalyst, and explaining that his 1973–77 solo albums merged "warped aspects of progressive rock" with "a strange premonition of punk" and "the first approximations of new wave".[14] Additionally, Talking Heads expanded new wave by combining the urgency of punk rock with the sophistication of progressive rock, as Martin writes: "A good deal of the more interesting rock since that time is clearly 'post-Talking Heads' music, but that means it is post-progressive rock as well."[14] After the 1970s, the post-progressive style followed in the traditions of King Crimson's 1981 album Discipline, with its introduction of minimalism and ethnic musics, elements which were new to rock.[3] Hegarty and Halliwell credit Radiohead for creating "a new wave of progressiveness", explaining that "Radiohead's reintegration of rock into a post-progressive context ... they did not need to refer back to the sounds or styles of 1970s prog rock in order to make authentic progressive rock."[15] Come on Cristi, get with the program or hand in your prog badge and gun. Edited by SteveG - October 21 2019 at 09:43 |
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Cristi
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Like I said, it's the first time I hear of post-prog, that is why I thought you made a joke. |
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TerLJack
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Is Yes- Close to the Edge = 90125?
Genesis- Selling England = Invisible Touch? King Crimson- In the Court = Beat? Ambrosia- debut = One Eighty? Be-Bop Deluxe- Modern Music = Drastic Plastic? Queen- Queen II = Hot Space? Utopia- TR's Utopia = Deface the Music? Rush- debut = Signals? Japan- Adolescent Sex = Tin Drum? Sometimes they do not even sound like the same band.
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Edited by SteveG - October 21 2019 at 10:48 |
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Psychedelic Paul
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Thanks for the tip about including "Other" as an option. I'll bear that in mind for future polls. Here's some "Post Rock" for you from Porcupine Tree's "Voyager 34" album. Edited by Psychedelic Paul - October 21 2019 at 12:51 |
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Not really sure where I would put PT. I can make a case for a few different sub genres as I think you can for many prog bands. I also find some of the sub genres on the site to be a little subjective or even down right confusing. Many make sense, Jazz fusion, Folk Prog, Symphonic prog, prog metal are pretty self explanatory. Others are a little less clear. The difference between avent & eclectic prog for example. Seems like there are a lot of similarities between those two. Prog related & crossover prog is another one that seems somewhat subjective. ( side note , Trains by PT playing in the background as I type this, Sounds like ???- prog! )
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Cristi
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it's psychedelic/space rock, very floydian. (Again, not post-rock...)
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