Why can't I stand most modern prog?

SteveG wrote: Frenetic Zetetic wrote: I too don't have an ear for much after the 70's. Most of the modern progressive stuff I'm into is metal. Probably because prog slowed down to a trickle in the 80s.

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - November 22 2019 at 22:55

moshkito wrote: Modern prog is as good as the older stuff ... we just won't give it a proper/clean, and above all an HONEST listen!

It is better than the older stuff and there is more variety.

moshkito wrote: SteveG wrote: Frenetic Zetetic wrote: I too don't have an ear for much after the 70's. Most of the modern progressive stuff I'm into is metal. Probably because prog slowed down to a trickle in the 80s. I'm of the opinion that the music did not slow down ... what hurt the most, specially in America, was the fact that FM radio went commercial, with corporate folks buying out all the independent stations, and almost all of them at the start (in America!!!) were independent, which helped a lot of this music.

Agreed, sort of a domino effect.  

good points about the corporate nature of what rock music and the labels helping 'kill' off prog. They found the best way to sell music to pigeon hole bands and music.. and its listeners.

The music industry is about sales and promotion of music that they think will sell. For the most part prog was always a bit of an odd duck and a "hard sell" so when opportunities came along to market and promote other forms that were more accessible the record labels and music business(including radio)didn't hesitate. For the most part those "other" music forms were disco, punk, new wave and arena rock. There's a common belief that punk killed off prog and while there is maybe some truth to that(in so far as it ushered in a shift in what was considered marketable in the music industry)it wasn't the only thing to take down prog. The music industry basically looks for bands and artists they feel the public will go for. I'm talking about the masses here not just a small niche(ie prog fans). Over the years they have become very good at figuring out what sells and what the majority of people want. There's a reason you hardly ever see any experimental or progressive acts on late night tv as musical guests. The media in general still ignores prog and pretty much any music form that is outside the norm because they don't want to "waste" capital on promoting something when they don't think there will be much of an roi and or an acceptance of something that is left field. 

micky wrote: good points about the corporate nature of what rock music and the labels helping 'kill' off prog. They found the best way to sell music to pigeon hole bands and music.. and its listeners. on the flip side.. Napster and its ilk were teh great liberators of prog rock...  sticking a knife in the heart of major labels and their grp on music. So hand in hand with the internet/social media at the turn of millenium the prog underwent a renaissance as the internet was not just a place for fans to meet.. and discover teh oldies.. but a new age of indepent production, promotion and distribution came with it. with with all being cyclical again man..  was both the seed of its renaissance 20 odd years ago. but also the seed of its decline ...  earlier this decade. The divorce between the prog and progressive camps and the shear glut of music being put out made it difficult for bands to survive, much less actually make anything approaching a living making music, to thrive when everyone and their snake could record and produce prog albums.

Don't give napster and their like credit, they're a big part of the reason people think music should be free.

Id say music being available on the internet did that not pirates giving away big artist music for free to generate advertising revenue.

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: The music industry is about sales and promotion of music that they think will sell. For the most part prog was always a bit of an odd duck and a "hard sell" so when opportunities came along to market and promote other forms that were more accessible the record labels and music business(including radio)didn't hesitate. For the most part those "other" music forms were disco, punk, new wave and arena rock. There's a common belief that punk killed off prog and while there is maybe some truth to that(in so far as it ushered in a shift in what was considered marketable in the music industry)it wasn't the only thing to take down prog. The music industry basically looks for bands and artists they feel the public will go for. I'm talking about the masses here not just a small niche(ie prog fans). Over the years they have become very good at figuring out what sells and what the majority of people want. There's a reason you hardly ever see any experimental or progressive acts on late night tv as musical guests. The media in general still ignores prog and pretty much any music form that is outside the norm because they don't want to "waste" capital on promoting something when they don't think there will be much of an roi and or an acceptance of something that is left field.

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Punk in it's initial and purist form didn't really last that long but it's influence did. It started a new trend in music that allowed for other things like new wave, gothic, alternative etc.