The American Politics Thread

SteveG wrote: Everyone has different views of weakness. To me, it was Trump who was on the ropes and desperate because he's losing in the polls, not Biden. Biden only had to show that he could go the rounds with Trump. And he answered everything that Trump threw out him without going off script and getting lost or confused. He nailed Trump on all his failings with facts where Trump only had lies to cast out of desperation. Trump did come off as the aggressor, but only out weakness and fear.   Now, lets bring on Harris/Pence.

Essentially, by badly misunderestimating Biden, the Right could not convincingly claim victory after the debate. Because they had set the bar so low that Biden easily cleared it. Biden was supposed to collapse in a mess being incapable of saying a word without a teleprompter. So when instead he managed to land a few folksy punches, it put Trump on the defensive. This was a 'new' side of Trump and his ugliest. He was downright patronizing and condescending to Biden, particularly in the beginning, and Biden didn't fail to exploit it by saying people like Trump have always looked down their nose on working class Irish Catholics like him. I felt Biden had smart arguments and some decent one liners but the delivery lacked punch. But it does appear to have been enough to deny Trump the debate win he thought was certain to be his.

Edited by rogerthat - October 01 2020 at 01:32

Apparently someone likes my mic cutoff idea:

Hours after the nation endured perhaps the most chaotic presidential debate in U.S. history, the Commission on Presidential Debates announced that it would impose “additional structure” in an effort to “maintain order” at the two remaining forums before Election Day.

“Last night’s debate made clear that additional structure should be added to the format of the remaining debates to ensure a more orderly discussion of the issues,” said Wednesday’s statement by the Commission on Presidential Debates, the nonprofit corporation that oversees debate rules. “The CPD will be carefully considering the changes it will adopt and will announce those measures shortly.”

Citing “an informed source,” CBS News correspondent Norah O’Donnell reported Wednesday that the changes under consideration included cutting off a candidate’s microphone should new debate rules not be followed.

Edited by Easy Money - September 30 2020 at 14:08

I was telling my friend they should put on one of those electric shock training collars around his neck.

Edited by mathman0806 - September 30 2020 at 13:20

 QUOTE=Davesax1965]One habit I've found Americans have is that everything is examined in minute detail. 

I don't honestly think the debates will have much effect on the polls: everyone has made their minds up or aren't revealing who they're voting for. If you look at the 5 38 polls, Trump's popularity has actually gone up since his financial affairs were revealed, so it makes no sense at all. Given that he might be the first sitting president whose creditors foreclose on him for hundreds of millions of dollars, you'd think it'd have an adverse effect on his perceived ability to run a country, but, nope. Polls go the other way.

Short of appearing naked at a debate, going "Heil Hitler" and having a dump on the floor, Trump won't make himself any more or less popular by his actions. 

And I think it's too tight to call. If the results come in a few percentage points of each other, King Orange Donald the First will merely try and schmooze himself in again. Because he's up sh*t creek if he doesn't. [/QUOTE]

Davesax1965 wrote: One habit I've found Americans have is that everything is examined in minute detail.  I don't honestly think the debates will have much effect on the polls: everyone has made their minds up or aren't revealing who they're voting for. If you look at the 5 38 polls, Trump's popularity has actually gone up since his financial affairs were revealed, so it makes no sense at all. Given that he might be the first sitting president whose creditors foreclose on him for hundreds of millions of dollars, you'd think it'd have an adverse effect on his perceived ability to run a country, but, nope. Polls go the other way. Short of appearing naked at a debate, going "Heil Hitler" and having a dump on the floor, Trump won't make himself any more or less popular by his actions.  And I think it's too tight to call. If the results come in a few percentage points of each other, King Orange Donald the First will merely try and schmooze himself in again. Because he's up sh*t creek if he doesn't.

Well, with both sides, all opinions are status quo. Biden has his followers no matter what, and the same with Trump. It's all a formality until election day.

SteveG wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: As for Trump it seems like the only trick up his sleeve is acting like a jr. high school boy who's angry at the world because the girl he likes is going out with the captain of the football team. He can only resort to insults because he has no real intellect.   Sigmund would have been proud of you.

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - September 30 2020 at 09:52

What did it actually mean when Trump told his Nazis to stand by?

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - September 30 2020 at 09:50