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JD
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 16:01 |
Tucker (f#@kin') Carlson's quotes of the day...
"Nothing Trump said onstage was radical..." It's his tone that rattles people. Trump
could make a wine list sound menacing."
"...amazingly, tragically, many people who watched last night may have concluded that Joe Biden is the stable, steady alternative,"
"It's quite a trick, the illusion of reasonableness. Barack Obama was a master of this."
That's right Tucky baby, who wants stable or steady leadership? What a dumb@ss.
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SteveG
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 15:49 |
Don't be fooled. Conservative hacks like Lutz love his deregulations and tax breaks for big business. Even if they hate him. It's all about the economy and the stock market. And thier own investments.
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 15:40 |
It's his supporters, not the politicians, that are the problem: constituents say, politicians do.
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Easy Money
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 15:39 |
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
^ The list of Republican politicians who don't like trump is very lengthy, not to mention the many voters I know personally. Of course most of the Libertarian conservatives never did like him. |
They still go along with his agenda anyway it seems. I don't know if it's fear of losing votes or what have you but it seems to be a very real thing. They don't want to rock the boat.
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Many play along because he's in charge right now, but there are plenty who have spoken out and refuse to support him. I can gladly supply a list. Of those who do play along for now, there are many who probably will not miss him.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 15:34 |
Easy Money wrote:
^ The list of Republican politicians who don't like trump is very lengthy, not to mention the many voters I know personally. Of course most of the Libertarian conservatives never did like him. |
They still go along with his agenda anyway it seems. I don't know if it's fear of losing votes or what have you but it seems to be a very real thing. They don't want to rock the boat.
Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - October 01 2020 at 15:34
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rushfan4
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 14:36 |
He's a slimy turd.
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BaldJean
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 14:35 |
I belong to the faction that can't make up their minds. is Trump a turd or a slimeball?
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Easy Money
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 14:07 |
^ The list of Republican politicians who don't like trump is very lengthy, not to mention the many voters I know personally. Of course most of the Libertarian conservatives never did like him.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 13:28 |
^Right. I think at least some republicans have been conned but don't know they have been conned. That's how con artists and cult leaders work. They are able to trick you into thinking it was entirely your idea to believe them. They don't understand the dark tactics and manipulation they use. Although I suppose that's probably more true of the followers than the republicans in congress themselves. Many of them just think democrats are worse (there could be brainwashing involved with that too though).
Also, a lot of times you have elections like this people will say it boils down to the "lesser of two evils." I don't think this election is about the lesser of two evils though. That would be like saying a cat is less dangerous than a lion. For me it's more about sanity vs insanity. Biden might not be the best possible candidate to run for president or even the most sane but he's a lot better(and more sane)than Trump. Unfortunately that's not saying much though. However, what matters to me the most is that we get to a point where we no longer have a narcissistic psychopath in the white house.
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 13:13 |
Atavachron wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
There was another who said Biden calling Trump a clown/liar/asking him to shut up was unpresidential so he couldn't decide.  And here we are thinking Biden could have gone after him harder. Yeah, like Frank Luntz asked his focus group, what could you possibly be undecided/on the fence about at this stage in the race? | Luntz is one of those mainstream conservatives whose world is crumbling in front of him. Anyone see him on PBS last night? He's shell-shocked, like Tucker Carlson, and doesn't know what to do (though he's at least is willing to discuss it). Like many during the pandemic, he's lost weight, grown a beard, and has transformed into a wavering, faltering politico with no traditional right-wing foundation remaining to work with.
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Trump is the worse thing that ever happened to the economic conservatives, and a lot of them know that. A con artist who preys on people's worst xenophobic fears and pointless contrariness has usurped their ideals. In many ways though, the repubs brought this on themselves by flirting with such dangerous notions in the past. Past smaller hints at negativity have blown up big time on them. After trump loses, it will be interesting to see what happens next.
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 12:37 |
rogerthat wrote:
There was another who said Biden calling Trump a clown/liar/asking him to shut up was unpresidential so he couldn't decide.  And here we are thinking Biden could have gone after him harder. Yeah, like Frank Luntz asked his focus group, what could you possibly be undecided/on the fence about at this stage in the race? |
Luntz is one of those mainstream conservatives whose world is crumbling in front of him. Anyone see him on PBS last night? He's shell-shocked, like Tucker Carlson, and doesn't know what to do (though he's at least is willing to discuss it). Like many during the pandemic, he's lost weight, grown a beard, and has transformed into a wavering, faltering politico with no traditional right-wing foundation remaining to work with.
Edited by Atavachron - October 01 2020 at 12:38
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SteveG
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 10:12 |
Well, it doesn't keep them from being stupid about it.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 10:09 |
rogerthat wrote:
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Even some of those on the fence will be a hard sell. CNN asked one undecided voter after the debate if he made his mind up on either Biden or Trump and why. The man said he was going with Trump because he felt that Biden slamming Trump for the covid deaths was morally objectionable. Image that? Biden was immoral!  |
There was another who said Biden calling Trump a clown/liar/asking him to shut up was unpresidential so he couldn't decide.  And here we are thinking Biden could have gone after him harder. Yeah, like Frank Luntz asked his focus group, what could you possibly be undecided/on the fence about at this stage in the race? |
Ridiculous. It kind of reminds me of a post I saw online where a woman said if Biden picked Kamala Harris she was going to vote for Trump.  People like this are going to vote for Trump regardless. They just don't want to be too obvious about it.
Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - October 01 2020 at 11:58
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SteveG
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 09:51 |
True, Madan, true!
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 09:47 |
SteveG wrote:
Even some of those on the fence will be a hard sell. CNN asked one undecided voter after the debate if he made his mind up on either Biden or Trump and why. The man said he was going with Trump because he felt that Biden slamming Trump for the covid deaths was morally objectionable. Image that? Biden was immoral!  |
There was another who said Biden calling Trump a clown/liar/asking him to shut up was unpresidential so he couldn't decide.  And here we are thinking Biden could have gone after him harder. Yeah, like Frank Luntz asked his focus group, what could you possibly be undecided/on the fence about at this stage in the race?
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SteveG
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 09:45 |
Even some of those on the fence will be a hard sell. CNN asked one undecided voter after the debate if he made his mind up on either Biden or Trump and why. The man said he was going with Trump because he felt that Biden slamming Trump for the covid deaths was morally objectionable. Image that? Biden was immoral!
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 09:18 |
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Aye, but all of your logic and reasoning only works for those that think like you and are incomprehensible to the mind of the Trump supporter. And this is the problem that we have to accept. From now on, I'm afaid. | The best that can be hoped for is the debate persuades those who held their nose and voted for Trump because they didn't like Clinton (but had misgivings about Trump). Then again, the likes of those have probably already moved to the Biden camp or third party/no vote. There is indeed no way through to the die hard Trump supporter.
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SteveG
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 09:08 |
Aye, but all of your logic and reasoning only works for those that think like you and are incomprehensible to the mind of the Trump supporter. And this is the problem that we have to accept. From now on, I'm afaid.
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 08:26 |
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It helps to note that Trump threw his whole arsenal at Biden. His son's Ukraine dealings and even bringing up his son's drug use, along with Biden's supposed manipulation by the radical socialist left and being an enemy of law and order. He couldn't argue that Biden was full of gaffs and mentally duff because he clearly wasn't, as Biden's attacks proved.
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All Biden had to do was point to Trump's family without even saying anything about it.
And when Trump tried to attack the Obama taxes that purportedly allowed him to pay so low taxes, Biden had to simply point to Trump's own even bigger tax cuts. Trump could not outflank Biden on the Left (which he could do as a challenger to Hillary in 2016) because he did not run that sort of Govt at all. It probably explains why his 2020 campaign has been such a stale and typically GOP affair (painting every Dem as a socialist)...because he ran to the Left on the 2016 campaign to carve out states the GOP hadn't won in years but governed from well to the Right except on trade. Likewise, a President who cannot bring himself to unequivocally condemn white supremacists cannot convincingly attack Biden for the Crime Bill.
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SteveG
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Posted: October 01 2020 at 05:25 |
It helps to note that Trump threw his whole arsenal at Biden. His son's Ukraine dealings and even bringing up his son's drug use, along with Biden's supposed manipulation by the radical socialist left and being an enemy of law and order. He couldn't argue that Biden was full of gaffs and mentally duff because he clearly wasn't, as Biden's attacks proved. But all of this does nothing to win over Trump's supporters who swallowed Trump's rhetoric hook, line and sinker, like they always do. The result is the same. Trump has his 38% where as Biden has his 48% of the voters with swing voters still scratching their heads. Probably 2/3rds of that 10% will go with Joe. The divisions are just too great, no matter who the Dems put up. Be it Biden, Warren or Bernie. These are the times we live in and, unfortunately, we can only hope for the best. Whatever the status is now, that's what it will be on election day. And no superhuman showing by either Trump or Biden in the future debates will change that.
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