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Points: 18446 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2022 at 18:14
Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Well, at least Pink Floyd is doing their part.

What part would that be? I genuinely don't understand these kinds of initiatives.
Sorry, I couldn't find the sarcasm emoji.
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Points: 6052 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2022 at 18:18
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

However, having memory, I also know that I have feared a war like this for many years because the expansion of NATO to Eastern Europe according to many independent Western analysts was leading to an increasing risk of a violent reaction from Moscow.
To a citizen of an Easter European NATO member country the current invasion of non-NATO member Ukraine will look as if being NATO member has actually decreased the risk of being the victim of such an invasion. (That's at least what my friends from such countries tell me, and I have no reason to think they're wrong.

This is a significant sociopolitical observation, and may be in play long-term as things progress .



The president of Sweden, Magdalena Andersson, said that Sweden will not ask to join NATO to avoid further destabilizing the European balance. This decision seems very wise to me. And it was made against Swedish polls, which see an increase in requests to join NATO after Putin's threats.
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Points: 10732 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2022 at 18:22
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Points: 10732 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2022 at 18:23
Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Black people trying to flee the war have been facing racial prejudice and discrimination, you can help them:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-vulnerable-black-people-in-ukraine?fbclid=IwAR0c_9gG9TyjxVZdjm8LW4nmzpwoVstDoISp-FJ1eN9CvulEPyLivfp6lRI


I like the idea of your starting a new thread specifically geared to these efforts, one that is monitored, because I think this thread is going to careen over a cliff.
Thank you. Please find a way to help the victims of war. Right now I am giving money to help buy much needed medical supplies.

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Points: 2195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2022 at 19:31
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Black people trying to flee the war have been facing racial prejudice and discrimination, you can help them:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-vulnerable-black-people-in-ukraine?fbclid=IwAR0c_9gG9TyjxVZdjm8LW4nmzpwoVstDoISp-FJ1eN9CvulEPyLivfp6lRI


I like the idea of your starting a new thread specifically geared to these efforts, one that is monitored, because I think this thread is going to careen over a cliff.
Thank you. Please find a way to help the victims of war. Right now I am giving money to help buy much needed medical supplies.


Will find a way to help!
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Points: 10732 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2022 at 19:59
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Well, at least Pink Floyd is doing their part.


What part would that be? I genuinely don't understand these kinds of initiatives.
Sorry, I couldn't find the sarcasm emoji.
I like this one
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

However, having memory, I also know that I have feared a war like this for many years because the expansion of NATO to Eastern Europe according to many independent Western analysts was leading to an increasing risk of a violent reaction from Moscow.
To a citizen of an Easter European NATO member country the current invasion of non-NATO member Ukraine will look as if being NATO member has actually decreased the risk of being the victim of such an invasion. (That's at least what my friends from such countries tell me, and I have no reason to think they're wrong.

This is a significant sociopolitical observation, and may be in play long-term as things progress .



The president of Sweden, Magdalena Andersson, said that Sweden will not ask to join NATO to avoid further destabilizing the European balance. This decision seems very wise to me. And it was made against Swedish polls, which see an increase in requests to join NATO after Putin's threats.

I'd probably agree with that, given the situation is as it is today, with Putin threatening military action in that case. But don't forget that the Swedish historical experience is very different from the Estonian, Moldovan, Polish one. Sweden has much less reason to feel herself directly threatened by Russian than the Baltic states, and that's not because the Baltic countries joined NATO. I hope a lot that Putin will not target these countries at some point, but if he does, this will put Sweden in a very difficult situation also as non-NATO member. It is a fine line for Sweden, and things may play out either way in either case.


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British orchestras will not boycott Russian composers as their work is “intrinsic to the historical canon of Western classical music”

Source: https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1502560217795547136

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Points: 15387 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2022 at 04:21
Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

British orchestras will not boycott Russian composers as their work is “intrinsic to the historical canon of Western classical music”


Did anyone seriously suggest that Russian composers already dead when Putin came to power should be boycotted? Confused
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Points: 2731 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2022 at 04:32
^ Well, Dostoyevski is also dead. Wink
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Points: 6052 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2022 at 05:40
Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

^ Well, Dostoyevski is also dead. Wink

In Italy, the famous writer Paolo Nori had to give a lecture on Dostoevsky, I don't remember if in a university. They canceled it when sanctions against Russia came into effect. Then, after the protests of many intellectuals, they changed their minds. But at that point Nori refused to do it.

This is another symptom of what it means to enter into a logic of war, in an anti-Russian propaganda.
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Points: 18489 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2022 at 05:57
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

^ Well, Dostoyevski is also dead. Wink

In Italy, the famous writer Paolo Nori had to give a lecture on Dostoevsky, I don't remember if in a university. They canceled it when sanctions against Russia came into effect. Then, after the protests of many intellectuals, they changed their minds. But at that point Nori refused to do it.

This is another symptom of what it means to enter into a logic of war, in an anti-Russian propaganda.

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“Since 1945, the international community has built up a set of rules governing how states interact with one another. This is built on the principles of sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence. As shown, every invasions is, by definition, a violation of sovereignty. What sets them apart from each other is the extent to which they may violate the other two principles. As shown, however, while Western interventions may have violated two of the three principles, and even then in ways that did not necessarily benefit intervening countries directly, none of its actions went against all three of these basic tenets of international relations. In contrast, Russia has entirely ignored all of them - and has done so for its own benefit. The fact that President Putin has implicitly threatened to use nuclear weapons if NATO or any power directly intervenes to help Ukraine makes it all the more troubling. To this extent, Russia's war against Ukraine goes far further than anything we have seen in the post-Cold War Era. Indeed, it threatens to fundamentally undermine the entire system of international relations established after the Second World War” 

Prof James Ker-Lindsay 


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Points: 2731 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2022 at 08:59
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Points: 6673 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2022 at 10:09
Isn't NATO and US interference in 2014 preceded by the Holomodor ? And isn't the Holomodor preceded by the Czarist Empire which ,of course everyone knows in Russia, was really a trade deal expansion all the way to Vladisvostok ? Confused

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Russia and China claim America running Bio-weapon Labs in Ukraine.  However, Victoria Nuland and Marco Rubio are 100% sure that only Russia could use the "Ukraine Bio-Research Facilities" for Evil. Because that's what Russians do...
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@ExittheLemming: Thanks for these, much appreciated. Indeed US meddling in Ukrainian affairs seems to me a much bigger problem than the NATO extension to the east... I mean, that's a problem as well, but as I wrote earlier, there were very good reasons for it. 
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Between 1917 and 1920, Ukraine was in complete turmoil, and thus, never gained independence, contrary to Poland, and the Baltic States, Romania, Czechoslovakia etc..., in fact Kiev having changed hands 12 times. 

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