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Morocco showed that they can play some fine attacking football, but still weren't quite good enough. They worked so hard, lost two key players, and in the end the legs were too heavy. Well done Morocco, France still deserved winners. Argentina my favourites for the win. I'd expect both Morocco and Croatia to try hard to finish third, so this match may be good but nobody will be interested, as usually.
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I think the final will be a grand spectacle for sure. 

Morocco just did not have the finished product today... Just could not create enough scoring opportunities... Mbappe was the real difference today, creating those 2 French goals... 

The final will be amazing. The final World Cup match of my favorite all-time player, Messi!


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France looked pretty good
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You are insane if you think FIFA are directing referees to deliberately ignore some fouls for nefarious reasons. If you get caught doing that as a referee your career is over. They are fallible humans and some are more fallible than others. Put your tinfoil hat back on and go back in your bunker. 

FIFA have about as much honesty and integrity as the Mafia so this may not be as far fetched as suggested. That said I put it more down to incompetence than corruption in this case (England v France). VAR simply cannot clean everything up otherwise matches would last 12 hours and everyone would go home long before it finished. Sadly the referee is as much as part of the game as any player and the way he/she chooses to referee the game is up to them. I'm not crying over England going out because at the end of the day we weren't better than France. The other way round I would have being saying the referee was wonderful for letting the game flow. Supporting a football team is one eyed.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

You are insane if you think FIFA are directing referees to deliberately ignore some fouls for nefarious reasons. If you get caught doing that as a referee your career is over. They are fallible humans and some are more fallible than others. Put your tinfoil hat back on and go back in your bunker. 

FIFA have about as much honesty and integrity as the Mafia so this may not be as far fetched as suggested. That said I put it more down to incompetence than corruption in this case (England v France). VAR simply cannot clean everything up otherwise matches would last 12 hours and everyone would go home long before it finished. Sadly the referee is as much as part of the game as any player and the way he/she chooses to referee the game is up to them. I'm not crying over England going out because at the end of the day we weren't better than France. The other way round I would have being saying the referee was wonderful for letting the game flow. Supporting a football team is one eyed.

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Rooting for Argentina.  I wonder if France will experience another round of riots after the final?  
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OK, time to recap my thoughts about this WC and its so called mega-surprises and whatchymacallits

First, poltically-wise, the time of the year sucks (apparently the climate-controlled stadiums were not needed for evening games >> it was warmer in most stadium of last year's European cup, played during a heatwave) and if the organizing country's organisation seems to be flawless, all these calls for boycotts were totally hypocrits, including those one-love armbands. You go into a country, you're expected to follow the rules and customs of the locals and if you don't you're off to a gaol in a jail.
Some journalist seems to say that Qatar lost face to the world (meaning the Occident), but that's hardly true for the rest of the world. As if Qatar lost something here (with the bribery of European parliament and FIFA, the occident lost much more), they faced no redemtion from occidental moral keepers some 10 years ago.

Qatar just bought itself credibility to the "arab world" (for the price of a WC >> it's actually fairly cheap), also including non-muslim Africa. Not only that, they acquired before the start of the WC, the Asian football championship and for not an extra-pound of money involved, since the infrastructure already exists. Cynics might even say that the human live costs have been diminished by half when considering both events together. The Saudis want to organize it in 2030 (too soon IMHO for that to happen), but since money rules even more on football (and all sports), even more than in politics, it could just happen.

Second, sportive-wise: one can talk about surprises and (sometimes genuine) upsets, but outside Norrocco's presence in the last square, nothing has changed much. By the quarters, it was all European and the two South-Am giants... and Morrocco. Everyone had predicted France against Brazil or Argentina, and that's exactly what happened.

Third: the crowds. TBH, if I liked what Morrocco showed (except against Spain), I don't like whatr their supporters did, either in the stadium or on the streets afterwards (except in Morrocco). It was really irritating (and limit quite racist) for all the muslim fans in the stadium (including fake fans...who actually were +/- knowledgeable about football history, apparently)  to whistle as soon as a non-muslim team had the ball.  As for the systematic riots of Morroccans in the streets of Europe, oddly enough (sort of speak), this didn't happen inside the country.

Finally, from what I understand those "fake supporters" were actually the "most-meriting" infrastructure construction workers contract extension and a sort of than you for services rendered. Hardly anyone talked about serfdom or slavery in this case.


Cro - Mor >> going to shootouts

Arg - Fra



Edited by Sean Trane - December 17 2022 at 05:03
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Argentina to win against France, Croatia to win against Morocco (Morocco seemed a bit tired at the end of the semifinal and it'll be hard to keep up the high energy level; Croatia are tested in that respect).
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all these calls for boycotts were totally hypocrits, including those one-love armbands
People who wanted one-love armbands are obviously not the people who called to boycott; that's two totally different things. Also you talk about a lot of people you don't know personally, who are you to judge them as hypocrits? Are you as a European trying to give moral lessons here by any chance?

Personally I haven't boycotted but there were very good reasons to do that, not only directed at Qatar, also at FIFA, some of these people have protested when the decision was made, and some of them will boycott future world cups. Also in what sense are people boycotting a WC responsible for bad things that their countries may do? Talking as if  Qatar bribing European parlamentarians were a justification for Europeans who don't boycott is rather ridiculous.


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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FIFA have about as much honesty and integrity as the Mafia so this may not be as farfetched as suggested. That said I put it more down to incompetence than corruption in this case (England v France).
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Not to mention that some of its folks are the likes of some of the richest folks in Europe, and they have this attitude that they own the world, and they are the race that will control the game and the world. No commercial entity will do anything with the game, until these guys get their portion ... divided up through their "wages" ... each year.

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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 VAR simply cannot clean everything up otherwise matches would last 12 hours and everyone would go home long before it finished. Sadly the referee is as much as part of the game as any player and the way he/she chooses to referee the game is up to them. 
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The high level of the folks running FIFA and how rich they are gives them the idea that they can do what THEY WANT (because they are rich!) and not have to do something they don't want. Giving VAR more for their work, and have it reach the level that it has with the three top American games (football, baseball and basketball), which did not hurt the game, but it changed the controls of the game into an area that would take it away from the rich hands of the folks at FIFA, and prevent them from doing little tikkytikkytakky this and that and fouls to change the game in favor of someone else ... this is something that the Fascist government in Italy, Spain and Portugal were quite concerned with and they made sure that "everything" that happened had their explanation ... not one that someone else explained and saw. TV changed all that and for all intents and purposes, those folks in Europe still think they cannot get caught up with another whore, or impossible situation that they will not be able to control!

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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I'm not crying over England going out because at the end of the day we weren't better than France. The other way round I would have being saying the referee was wonderful for letting the game flow. Supporting a football team is one eyed.

Things like Maradona's hand and those kinds of moments have helped make the game famous, and it was TV that showed that picture that spoke 1,000 words that ended up making us feel like he cheated. Other than what's his name from Uruguay, I doubt that most people putt up their hand in this game intentionally, and we cannot imagine how the body moves differently for everyone ... 

For me, that was the game that MADE TV FAMOUS ... because all of a sudden you HAD TO SEE IT TOO!

I think that seeing this historically makes more sense ... but I think that TV was already trying to break through and I think it was 1968, when one team took down Pele, by hitting him in the ankles all game long and he only lasted one half or something like it ... radio, was all over it and complaining ... but the media on paper (later) did not say anything ... ohhh, by the way, guess who owns the papers and the media? 

The great thing is that we here, in America, appreciate the three games even more for its incredible accuracy and the talent that becomes very visible that the players have to work a spot, or do something unusual ... I think that the European rich farts are afraid they will lose "control" of the players ... like their agents have not been working on breaking that for 20 years and then some!

The whole thing is so hypocritical it's not funny anymore! Feels like Richard III asking for a kingdom while being driven off in a Jeep ... (Sir Ian McKellen!) ... and screaming for his loss ...  the best image EVER.


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I'm glad VAR exist, because it repairs 90% of the bad calls and injustices and I don't think it's corrupt yet (though I could imagine it happen in the future for strategic/financial interest of the sport), though I've seen very weird things about additional times.

I don't expect VAR to fix everything and don't like how long it can take to reach a descision and slow down and break the rhythm of the game, but overall, it's a vast improvement. BTW, it would be wise to show the VAR images on a big screen so the public in the stadium can see it too.


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all these calls for boycotts were totally hypocrits, including those one-love armbands
People who wanted one-love armbands are obviously not the people who called to boycott; that's two totally different things. Also you talk about a lot of people you don't know personally, who are you to judge them as hypocrits? Are you as a European trying to give moral lessons here by any chance?

Personally I haven't boycotted but there were very good reasons to do that, not only directed at Qatar, also at FIFA, some of these people have protested when the decision was made, and some of them will boycott future world cups. Also in what sense are people boycotting a WC responsible for bad things that their countries may do? Talking as if  Qatar bribing European parlamentarians were a justification for Europeans who don't boycott is rather ridiculous.


I'm a Euromerican giving a moral lesson to professional lesson-givers - who are generally Americans & Europeans. ApproveCool

I didn't boycott it per se (and knew full well that hardly anyone would), but I certainly watched less games live than I did in previous EC or WC and even didn't bother with most games highlights podcasts. Most of the boycotts were called by medias, and the medias went out to broadcast it. Only the medias without the broadcast rights actually kept calling for it - but still talked about it at length (if only with the scores).
BTW, you're right: the one-love people didn't boycott... they wanted to surf on the WC wave. Not sure it's any better. Ouch

I won't even look at today's game (unless it's a particularly spectacular score - then I will maybe posdcast view it)... and TBH, I plan to be making love to my GF during the WC final.


Edited by Sean Trane - December 17 2022 at 08:35
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Everyone is talking about Messie, Mbappe, and Griezman, but France aslso have Giroud, whom i believe is the ace in Frances hand.
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Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Everyone is talking about Messie, Mbappe, and Griezman, but France aslso have Giroud, whom i believe is the ace in Frances hand.

Or maybe not.

I'm just glad I didn't really care who won that, otherwise my nerves would be shredded by now.
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One of the teams that I always support have won. I'm happy! Cool
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Fantastic final, France not in it at all for over an hour, Argentina show their nerves to allow France back in. Superb final 40 minutes from both teams. Mbappe scores a hat trick and loses. Referee let both teams play but didn't stand for any nonsense. One for the ages.

Congratulations to Argentina and Messi.

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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Fantastic final, France not in it at all for over an hour, Argentina show their nerves to allow France back in. Superb final 40 minutes from both teams. Mbappe scores a hat trick and loses. Referee let both teams play but didn't stand for any nonsense. One for the ages.

Congratulations to Argentina and Messi.

Just wow.

Well put! This match will go down as one of the legends of football.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

BTW, I alsolutely loathe shoot-outs. Dead

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I won't even look at today's game (unless it's a particularly spectacular score - then I will maybe posdcast view it)... and TBH, I plan to be making love to my GF during the WC final.


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For 2 and a half hours?!!
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The match was epic (and apparently Sean Trane's love making as well).

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What a match! Glad I caught it at a packed bar. Great spectacle it was!!!! Sorry to Mbappe for scoring a hat trick and losing, but I think the better team won!
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