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    Posted: March 15 2023 at 01:12
I know I'm far from the first who's thought of this in one way or another. But the suggestions will differ every time, and I think it's a fun and interesting challenge. Let's say someone quite young and unexperienced in the ways of progressive music ended up on PA while googling this one track or album that they've just stumbled over on youtube or something like that. She or he posts this challenge in the Welcome newbies!-section:

Hi everyone! I found this place while looking for more info on............ after just having heard their amazing track (or song) ............! I've never ever heard of Prog or Progressive Rock until today. And with 12,183 bands & artists, 70,966 albums and over twenty sub-genres it's all a little overwhelming. So how about you "experts" suggest a dozen albums for me that you think will give this total noob the perfect introduction to this Prog Rock-thing? It's even better if you care to explain why, but I'll try giving each and every suggestion a shot regardless.

*I'll come back with my own list of suggestions soon, but it's not ready yet.

**If you need to fill in a spesific band and/or track to get going, just let us know what you've chosen as your reference, starting point. 

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King Crimson - In The Court Of The Crimson King
ELP - Tarkus
Yes - Fragile
Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon
Camel - Mirage
PFM - Per Un Amico
Rush - 2112
Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
Dream Theater - Images and Words
Anglagard - Hybris
Big Big Train - English Electric Part One
Porcupine Tree - In Absentia

not over thinking this and also this doesn't include many sub genres of prog such as Krautrock, Rio, Avant etc (and no Genesis!)

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Barclay James Harvest - Live 1974
Camel - Moonmadness
ELP - Works Volume I
Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
Jethro Tull - Living in the Past
King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
The Moody Blues - Days of Future Passed
Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
Procol Harum - Procol Harum
Renaissance - Ashes Are Burning
YES - Going for the One
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


not over thinking this and also this doesn't include many sub genres of prog such as Krautrock, Rio, Avant etc (and no Genesis!)

I think that's the way to go about it really. I, or the imagined newbie asks for the dozen few you think will do the best job. If that's all Symphonic... or all Canterbury Scene, it may work better than twelve vastly different albums anyway. And if some young person who'd recently discovered Sabbath, Zeppelin and Pink Floyd through those got exposed to and fell for Lady Fantasy - I would probably have waited a little while with Univers Zero and Magma.

To me it really depends who's asking, but I don't mind if people post a list they think could work for just about anyone.


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ELP - Trilogy
King Crimson - Starless and Bible Black
Yes - Close to the Edge
Genesis - Foxtrot
Pink Floyd - Dark side of the moon
Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
Spock's Beard - Beware of Darkness
Änglagård - Viljans Öga
Queen - Night at the Opera
Gryphon - Red Queen to Gryphon Three
Steve Hackett - Voyage of the Acolyte
Focus - Moving Waves
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Yes - CTTE
King Crimson - Larks Tongues In Aspic
Jethro Tull - Aqualung
Genesis - SEBTP
ELP - BSS
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
Dream Theater - Images and Words
Porcupine Tree - In Absentia
PFM - Per Un Amico
Tangerine Dream - Phaedra
Caravan - In The Land Of Grey & Pink
Miriodor - Avanti!

Tried to cover of 6 essential Big 6 classics then add some diversity across more modern metal, heavy, Italian, electronic, Canterbury & possibly the easiest entry level avant I could think of.
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Quite a lot of work if to take it seriously, but indeed interesting and a good challenge - I'll think about it. Smile
                      quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Miriodor - Avanti!

.... possibly the easiest entry level avant I could think of.

A very good alternative I see here is Univers Zero's Clivages
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Tried to cover of 6 essential Big 6 classics then add some diversity across more modern metal, heavy, Italian, electronic, Canterbury & possibly the easiest entry level avant I could think of.

I find this approach very good.
                      quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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even exploring the TOP PROG ALBUMS (100 chart) is a good start. 
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Excellent thread! Here are my dozen of the day. I tried to chose from different decades and balance my list with some modern prog. I added seven others for good measure.

Allan Holdsworth - I.O.U.
Kansas - Leftoverture
Thank You Scientist - Maps of Non-Existent Places
Frank Zappa - One Size Fits All
Bubblemath - Edit Peptide
Rush - 2112
Pat Metheny Group - The Way Up
Wippy Bonstack - 22
National Health - Of Queues and Cures
Frost* - Milliontown
Gentle Giant - Free Hand
Dream Theater - Images and Words

Others...
Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
The Aristocrats - Culture Clash
Steely Dan - Aja
Panzerballett - Planet Z
Porcupine Tree - In Absentia
Spock's Beard - V
Animals As Leaders - s/t
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

even exploring the TOP PROG ALBUMS (100 chart) is a good start. 

It's where I started when I first came here. 

If you stick to one album per band that way you get

Yes - CTTE
Genesis - SEBTP
Pink Floyd - WYWH
King Crimson - ITCOTCK
Jethro Tull - TAAB
VDGG - Godbluff
Camel - Mirage
PFM - Per Un Amico
Rush - Moving Pictures
Banco - Darwin
Anglagard - Hybris
Frank Zappa - Hot Rats

Maybe not diverse enough but a pretty good starting point.

The 2nd 12 gets you a lot more diversity (I'll skip Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue)

Gentle Giant - In A Glass House
Harmonium - Si on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison
Wobbler - From Silence To Somewhere
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds Of Fire
Renaissance - Scheherazade and Other Stories
Caravan - In The Land Of Grey and Pink
Dream Theater - Metropolis Part 2 Scenes from a Memory
Museo Rosenbach - Zarathustra
Supertramp - Crime Of The Century
Steve Wilson - The Raven Who Refused To Sing
Mike Oldfield - Ommandawn
Opeth - Still Life

Still missing Krautrock, Electronic, Post/Math Rock but pretty good stareter
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Excellent thread! Here are my dozen of the day. I tried to chose from different decades and balance my list with some modern prog. I added seven others for good measure.

Allan Holdsworth - I.O.U.

Animals As Leaders - s/t

Great list but no idea how you can do an introduction to a noob without Yes or Genesis. They are the only 2 of the Big 6 who are never debated.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Tried to cover of 6 essential Big 6 classics then add some diversity across more modern metal, heavy, Italian, electronic, Canterbury & possibly the easiest entry level avant I could think of.

I find this approach very good.
The same approach for me too. I made sure to include an album by each of the recognised "Big Six" of British Prog, although  not necessarily my favourite album by each artist. Obviously, I would've chosen The Quest as my favourite YES album, although I realise it's not everyone's favourite (or even anyone's favourite) YES album and is not representative of their work as a whole. In retrospect, maybe 90125 would've been a better choice of album for a PA Starter Kit than Going for the One, as the 90125 album was my introduction to YES. Smile


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Tried to cover of 6 essential Big 6 classics then add some diversity across more modern metal, heavy, Italian, electronic, Canterbury & possibly the easiest entry level avant I could think of.

I find this approach very good.
The same approach for me too. I made sure to include an album by each of the recognised "Big Six" of British Prog, although  not necessarily my favourite album by each artist. Obviously, I would've chosen The Quest as my favourite YES album, although I realise it's not everyone's favourite (or even anyone's favourite) YES album and is not representative of their work as a whole. In retrospect, maybe 90125 would've been a better choice of album for a PA Starter Kit than Going for the One, as the 90125 album was my introduction to YES. Smile

Have to say Paul that your definition of diversity and mine must be quite different if you think adding BJH, Camel, The Moody Blues, Procol Harum & Renaissance to the Big 6 covers the broad church of prog. SmileWink

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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Tried to cover of 6 essential Big 6 classics then add some diversity across more modern metal, heavy, Italian, electronic, Canterbury & possibly the easiest entry level avant I could think of.

I find this approach very good.
The same approach for me too. I made sure to include an album by each of the recognised "Big Six" of British Prog, although  not necessarily my favourite album by each artist. Obviously, I would've chosen The Quest as my favourite YES album, although I realise it's not everyone's favourite (or even anyone's favourite) YES album and is not representative of their work as a whole. In retrospect, maybe 90125 would've been a better choice of album for a PA Starter Kit than Going for the One, as the 90125 album was my introduction to YES. Smile

Have to say Paul that your definition of diversity and mine must be quite different if you think adding BJH, Camel, The Moody Blues, Procol Harum & Renaissance to the Big 6 covers the broad church of prog. SmileWink

I wasn't aiming to be diverse by covering a broad church of prog. I was simply choosing the twelve most accessible albums that would most likely appeal to a prog neophyte, and not entirely by coincidence, they were pretty much the same twelve "Starter Kit" prog albums that most appealed to me when I was first introduced to the wonderful world of prog. Smile


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one of the best lists on MS, it goes beyond a starter kit
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

even exploring the TOP PROG ALBUMS (100 chart) is a good start. 

It's where I started when I first came here.
Yes one could do far worse. I do think the list of top prog albums here is quite decent. Better than just about every attemnt I've seen in music magazines - or similar publications.

But most of us think we could make a better one don't we? At least I do. I would never have suggested two albums by the same band (either). And I'd like to try and come up with something a little more diverse (that can still work as an entry point). I mean here's only six bands in the top fourteen. 

-More importantly I've enjoyed looking at all your suggestions.
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For a true newbie:

1. Genesis - Selling England by the Pound (my intro, Dancing with the Moonlit Night is such a good way to begin your journey)
2. Yes - Fragile (the intro and immensity of CTTE make it not my first choice but should come soon after one's ear gets accustomed to prog)
3. Rush - Moving Pictures 
4. Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here (Welcome to the Machine, the huge Shine On suite, more proggy than Dark Side which everyone has heard anyway)
5. Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime (IMO the most important seed of Prog Metal)
6. Dream Theater - Images and Words (I prefer awake but this is the definitive true start of Prog Metal as a genre)
7. Opeth - Ghost Reveries (Ghost of Perdition is IMO their peak achievement)
8. Khan - Space Shanty (accessible enough to be the perfect entry point to Canterbury)
9. Ash Ra Tempel - Ash Ra Tempel (simultaneously the best psych jam album and a great entry to Krautrock)
10. Devin Townsend - Ocean Machine (I could pick several but this one is best top to bottom)
11. Animals as Leaders - Joy of Motion (The best album by the Prototype for an entire genre)
12. Return to Forever - Romantic Warrior (not my favorite or best fusion album but I think the best entry point)

I know this is metal heavy but that's me, and I know it misses a lot of great artists that could have been on the list. But would get a newbie well started IMO. e.g. I don't think King Crimson is a great entry point in spite of their historic importance but would be a must as one moves deeper. 


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I know this would have worked perfectly for a mini-me:). Heavy on the oldies, I know. But the 1970’s is a great place to start imo. All albums are in PA’s top 105.

King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
Genesis - Nursery Cryme
Yes - Close to the Edge
Pink Floyd - Meddle
Jethro Tull - Aqualung
Van Der Graaf Generator - H to He Who Am the Only One
Gong - You
PFM - Storia Di Un Minuto
Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
Tangerine Dream - Rubycon
Tool - Lateralus
Opeth - Blackwater Park
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