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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Online Points: 15559 |
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@siLLy puPPy: I'm really not interested in whether you miscommunicated or not, and I didn't say you did. I only wrote "Maybe in such a case it is nicer to wonder first whether you may have
communicated something in an unclear manner (or to not assign blame to
anyone)" which in my world does *not* mean that you actually did it. My point really was to choose politeness over obsessing who's right and who's wrong here.
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Online Points: 13110 |
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-or is this a joke I'm not getting because english is not my native language?
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15838 |
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Exactly!, siLLy puPPy, "Mosh" as short for Moshkito, so it's just a big misunderstanding. I do also find your first reply to Saperlipopette! to be not only rude but a bit racistic too, but let's just forget the whole thing, as I know, you're much better than that.
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21671 |
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Can I request that people stop all of this back and forth, it's clearly a communication misunderstanding. Let's get this back the the actual thread subject matter. I don't want to have to clean up this thread if at all possible.
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Online Points: 13110 |
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essexboyinwales ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 27 2015 Location: Bridgend Status: Offline Points: 5403 |
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I’d go with a mix of a few old, a few less old and a few modern (as others have done):
Genesis - Selling England By The Pound Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells IQ - Ever Marillion - Misplaced Childhood It Bites - Once Around The World Pendragon - Not Of This World Anathema - Weather Systems Ayreon- The Human Equation Devin Townsend - Empath Nightwish - Endless Forms Most Beautiful Cellar Darling - The Spell Edited by essexboyinwales - March 20 2023 at 10:07 |
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Heaven is waiting but waiting is Hell
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Online Points: 13110 |
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^Thank you, essexboyinwales. I'm happy to be proven wrong just ten minutes later:)
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Cosmiclawnmower ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2010 Location: West Country,UK Status: Offline Points: 4019 |
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Likewise, some older, some (relatively) more recent. And lps that, for me at least, encapsulate the breadth of (many) genre(s) covered by the term 'Progressive'
Anglagard- Hybris Barclay James Harvest- Live Can- Future Days Camel- Mirage Eloy- Ocean Family- Music from a doll's house Genesis- Foxtrot Harper, Roy- HQ Holderlin- Traumstadt Live IQ- Tales from the Lush Attic Jethro Tull- Songs from the Wood King Crimson- Larks Tongue in Aspic Mona Lisa- Avant qu'il ne soit trop tard Magma- Mekanïk Destruktïẁ Kommandöh Oldfield, Mike- Ommadawn Ozric Tentacles- Spice Doubt PFM- Per un Amico Rundgren, Todd- A Wizard, a true star Strawbs, the - From the Witchwood Twelfth Night- Fact and Fiction Univers Zero- 1313 Van der graaf generator- Godbluff Wobbler- From Silence to Somewhere XTC- English Settlement Yes- The Yes album Zappa, Frank- One size fits all Sorry, i think thats probably more than allowed but i'd dump those lps in the lap of anyone interested and say 'work your way through that lot'.. it might be a bit of a 'kill or cure' moment ![]() |
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Archisorcerus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 02 2022 Location: Izmir Status: Offline Points: 2744 |
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Lots of good suggestions here. A "starter" can also use YouTube for commencement in his/her adventure/discovery. Find a prog song there and play it, and then who knows, perhaps the next random (or not so random) song that YT brings is your thing!
I'll not offer a "kit" here, as the previous contributions seem sufficient. Yet, I can recommend a special album for me. I wanna mention, Saens - Escaping from the Hands of God. This French band is put within the Neo-Prog sub-genre here. EftHoG is an important album for me in that it served as/like a bridge between the classic (read it as classic symphonic) prog and modern prog. Prior to listening to this one, my indulgence with the "ancient" prog had been... superficial. Here's its grand/epic opening song: |
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Online Points: 13110 |
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Big Sky ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 24 2022 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 1101 |
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I'm going with what I believe are accessible albums for a total newbie and break them in gradually:
1) Supertramp - Crime of the Century 2) Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon 3) Rush - Moving Pictures 4) Jethro Tull - Aqualung 5) Kansas - Leftoverture 6) Yes - Yes Album 7) Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused to Sing 8) Camel - The Snow Goose 9) Genesis - A Trick of the Tail 10) Emerson Lake and Palmer - Trilogy If they get through those 10 and are still on board: 1) Yes - Close to the Edge 2) Genesis - Selling England by the Pound 3) Gentle Giant - Three Friends 4) King Crimson - Red 5) UK - UK 6) ELP - Brain Salad Surgery 7) Steven Wilson - Grace for Drowning 8) Big Big Train - Underfall Yard 9) Echolyn - Suffocating the Bloom 10) Frank Zappa - The Grand Wazoo 11) Caravan - In the Land of Grey and Pink 12) Mahavisnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire 13) Plini - Impulse Voices A Bakers Dozen. Never much cared for Krautrock, Neo-Prog can be covered by the symphonic prog, not to familiar with Italian Prog outside of PFM , who could easily have an album listed. Post Rock, Math Rock and Tech Metal I've listened too, but don't feel strongly enough on any of it to recommend anything. |
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Boojieboy ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 02 2016 Location: Earth Status: Offline Points: 664 |
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I'd ask the person first what they already listen to, then locate Prog. that is as close to that as possible, for starters. Try to work off their existing likes, rather than bombard them with my likes and preferences.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 46851 |
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good point, I agree.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19383 |
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Then force them to listen to KC's "moonchild" on a loop for the next eight hours.
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Rick1 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2020 Location: Loughborough UK Status: Offline Points: 3139 |
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Well, this was my 'starter kit':
ELP - Tarkus Genesis - Selling England Gong - Camembert Electrique Hatfield and the North - The Rotter's Club Hawkwind - Masters of the Universe Henry Cow - In Praise of Learning Jethro Tull- Songs From The Wood Pink Floyd - Dark Side Yes - Relayer Frank Zappa - One Size Fits All
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Online Points: 13110 |
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^Wow really? With a little help from your friends - or all by yourself?
I don't think I ever had
anything resembling a starter kit myself. Or maybe I did. Pink Floyd was
in my parents record collection, so they were just always there.
Differnt friends introduced me to The Residents, Swans, Dead Can Dance
around the same time + someone brought a C60 containing the studio sides
of Living in the Past on a school bus trip. Needless to say I
did not connect the dots. It was just different kinds of interesing
music that sounded all new and exiting to me. At the same time I used
the music section in the library almost daily, and I borrowed and copied
things I had heard about - and not heard about. Everything from Nursery Cryme and In Search of the Lost Chord to
Steve Reich, Gamelan Music, Eastern European Folk, Medieval and
Renaissance music... And at my local record shop I could easily find and
buy used LP's of Kraftwerk, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, Tangerine Dream
etc. for next to nothing. So I did. It did not take long before I
understood that a handful of these finds were considered Prog Rock - a
ridiculous anachronism from the 1970's that thankfully punk had killed
off. But I still loved it, and failed to understand what was wrong about
skills and ambition. "Three chords and the truth" had never appealed to
me anyway.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19383 |
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Older guy: "Let's see how many I can find on cd or vinyl."
Younger guy: "Let's see how many I can find on youtube." ![]() |
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Dapper~Blueberries ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 06 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 388 |
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How I make my starter kit is based on less of what is the prog "essentials" but what album do newbies of prog should check out first.
1. Dark Side Of The Moon - Pink Floyd: Cliche pick I know but can you blame me for picking this. Pink Floyd is one of the most accessible prog rock bands ever, and Dark Side is like one of those albums that can introduce someone to prog pretty smoothly. I also think it is a great introduction as it can introduce someone to these conceptual albums, and its suite-like nature can smoothly allow someone to get accustomed to the longer songs prog rock employs. 2. Nursery Cryme - Genesis: Most people would choose Selling England By The Pound as the Genesis record for new prog fans, and while that album is amazing, I think Nursery Cryme fits this beginner prog boat a lot more, simply due to the fact I feel like it can really get people into this more pastoral--symphonic prog sound, and with The Musical Box, it can also showcase the longer stretches of music, which is a very big constant in progressive rock in general. Plus it is pretty short, just under 40 minutes. I would've chosen Trick Of The Tail instead but I am more of a Gabriel head than a Collins head so my biases got the better of me. 3. The Yes Album - Yes: I think The Yes Album, compared to many of Yes' endeavors in the 70s with their long epics and suites, is a lot more accessibly streamlined and prominent to me. I would've gone for Fragile instead, but I think Fragile has a lot of these weird moments that could become a turn off to anyone looking to get into prog that The Yes Album doesn't quite have. 4. Misplaced Childhood - Marillion: I think Misplaced Childhood kinda fits the same shoes as Dark Side with it being a more conceptual album with a suite-like structure to it, but the reason I chose it here is for the pop fans out there. I mean, while this may not be the most poppy album out there with tracks like Blind Curve and Bitter Suite, I think for what it is worth it does contain some of the band's most lovable pop hits like Kayleigh and Lavender, which I think can really help those pop-heads who are looking to get into prog to get into it smoothly. 5. In Keeping Secrets Of Silent Earth 3 - Coheed and Cambria: I think modern prog deserves some love in the grand scheme of things, so this next half is more modern stuff, starting with In Keeping Secrets Of Silent Earth 3. Where Misplaced Childhood is for the pop-heads, Silent Earth 3 is for those alt rock and emo kids who find some interest in progressive rock. I think Coheed and Cambria is a perfect band for this as their music is very clearly alt and emo rock, but they have many proggy songs, especially on here, that make them perfect for those who are into stuff like My Chemical Romance and or Paramore. 6. Images and Words - Dream Theater: When talking about prog, you kinda have to talk about Dream Theater at least once. For this starter kit I decided to choose Images and Words, for the fact that it is a great introduction piece for those to get into prog metal, and more over prog rock. 7. Let's Start Here. - Lil Yachty: Now you might ask, why an album made by a hip hop artist? Well, I think with the psych rock and space rock frontiers Lil Yachty composes here that takes clear inspiration from Pink Floyd and many other psych/space rock bands (You can hear it on The Black Seminole), I feel like this album can be great to showcase prog rock, or in fact, reinvigorate prog to the masses, and in fact, I actually consider this album to be a prog album. I feel like this record, plus Coldplay's Coloratura and Taylor Swift's 10 minute version of All Too Well can be a spark in the waters for a new wave of prog rock popularity, more than the world has ever seen in this modern age, and so that is why I am adding it to this starter kit, for its great music, and the hope it can introduce many new and young music fans to seek out more of this type of music. 8. Polygondwanaland - King Gizzard And The Lizard Wizard: I feel like I could add any King Gizz release here, but I am choosing Polygondwanaland since it is the most overtly prog rock release. I think what makes this album good for beginners is actually the shorter songs on here. Sure the 10 minute Crumbling Castle is here, but most of the album is relatively short, with songs 2-3 minutes in length, and I think that can allow people to easily get into progressive rock without having to worry about long lengths. In fact I'd say this, Dark Side, and Misplaced Childhood are like the perfect prog albums for beginners in the genre. Now I would add more but I want this starter kit to be relatively small.
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Online Points: 13110 |
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^An interesting list.
-I have higher hopes for artists such as Billie Eilish and Lana Del Rey than Taylor Swift. I find them to be more adventrous and willing to experiment than the latter artist. I got a lot of respect for Taylor, but she rarely engages me personally. She's probably the biggest star in the world right now, so it's nice in itself that she releases a ten minute long single - that goes all the way to no. 1. All to Well is still just a very long song to my ears. Well crafted modern pop, but I don't really see it doing much for modern prog. For a generation that hardly even listen to "normal rock" anymore, I think the foreign sound of prog is a bigger obstacle than song length. I don't expect Taylor to release anything that exites musically me the way... say... 30th or A&W does. Lastly I would select the same Genesis and King Gizzard-albums as you did. |
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 45453 |
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An ideal prog starter kit for Christmas.
![]() CD 1 1. Curved Air - Vivaldi - 14:04 2. Caravan - For Richard - 13:04 3. Barclay James Harvest - Mockingbird - 7:26 4. Rick Wakeman - Journey to the Centre of the Earth - 18:22 5. Family - The Weaver's Answer - 4:48 6. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Take a Pebble - 6:42 7. John Wetton - Red - 6:26 CD 2 1. Barclay James Harvest - Poor Man's Moody Blues - 7:10 2. John Wetton - Starless - 9:46 3. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Barbarian - 5:06 4. Focus - House of the King - 2:41 5. Van der Graaf Generator - Theme One - 4:03 6. Focus - Hocus Pocus Medley - 13:31 7. Karnataka - Heaven Can Wait - 4:50 8. Mostly Autumn - Mother Nature - 13:13 9. Nektar - Damnation Valley - 9:00
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