Prog tracks that you feel get too much hate...

Saperlipopette! wrote: So Meddle is my favorite Pink Floyd album. I'm not gonna fight for Seamus. I do find it enjoyable and fun enough (but I wouldn't mind if they had included the studio version of Embryo instead). -San Tropez however is just so effortlessly beautiful to me. I love it as much as anything. I feel like the average progger dismiss it by default. When it's not judged on its own terms you miss out on what it actually aims for - and succeed at. I know I'm exactly like that myself at times though. Maybe More Fool Me is an excellent track for what it is too, I wouldn't know, and I never want to hear it again. So while I think it's unfair each time I'm the one with the unpopular opinion, I fully understand why and how this happens.

I agree about 'San Tropez' - the light cocktail hour jazzy feel nicely fits in with the overall romantic feel of the album (though not as a stand alone track). Embryo would have been an interesting inclusion, tho the band claimed it was never properly finished (hence the hasty withdrawal of the Harvest label double sampler 'Picnic'). The other nice inclusion, again with a romantic feel, could have been 'Biding My Time' had it not been shoved out on 'Relics' earlier in the year. Yes, 'Seamus' is the definitive throwaway track.

Meddle is my favourite album of all time by the way, as it was my entry point into the Floyd (and the start of a lifelong obsession with all things Floydian). Not only that, on a wider scale, 'Meddle', and the live album of Ummagumma proved to be my gateway into prog generally... all back in 1971/2!

Emerson's Piano Concerto n°1, but we've already had this discussion...

Jeremy Bender - ELP
More Fool Me - Genesis

I agree that YES "Don't kill the whale" gets short shrift from the forums.

Also "Topographic Oceans" wrongfully gets ascribed bile.

Grumpyprogfan wrote: Every single Allan Holdsworth written tune. Not an appreciated solo artist at PA.

That is a shame. An esoteric masterclass of a career.

Saperlipopette! wrote: ... The studio recording of Embryo ended up on a Harvest Sampler in 1970 (without the band's approval). I know the band never thought they nailed it properly, but I love it and think it would have been the perfect end to side 1. ...

Hi,

I think I had something like 8 or 9 bootlegs from the early days, and only one from DSOTM on (the Anaheim triple LP). The bootlegs for DSOTM, were not interesting and that's where you could see that the mechanical style needed to stay with the film and all the stage stuff, might have taken the flow of the band and its previous shows.

I think it was the version of EMBRYO that was on a Wyzardo (something like that) bootleg that was way better than most of them, and the version on the Sampler was not that good in my ears. It also sounded like it was doctored in parts ... a criminal offense!

It really made me wonder who the fudge made these decisions ... like ignoring the band's ability and how they worked things, and eventually using a version that did not have the nuances that so many of the bootlegs were showing ... I just about have to listen to them all again, though I think all of those bootlegs have long been gone from my collection ... (the LP's were getting too heavy for this old man without a house of his own, and having to move was a problem!)

I have to get rid of the books, and CD's too ... though at least I can rip them into MP3's and hope a can fit them all in many hard drives and save them ... since no one else has ever heard the majority of the bootlegs and really has no idea what I am saying, or likely thinking that I am just making stuff up!

PF did not make its name from the Syd Barrett days ... they made their name from the concerts with DG at the start, and then blew out the map with DSOTM. But it was the bootlegs that prefaced the fantastic concerts, of which I got to see one at the Hollywood Bowl (either August or September 1972) in their magic sound that was QUADRAPHONIC ... another idea that most people here have no idea and think some of the magic in digital positioning a la SW, was big ... the only bad thing about the QUAD system was that you couldn't take it home with you! The stuff these days, even in the fancy digital crap is still not as good ... for that matter, even the Grateful Dead sound system was the best I have ever saw and heard ... clean too! You never missed a single touch by anyone playing anything, and it was truly a big trip!

At the Hollywood Bowl, the opener was "One of These Days" and it going around your venue front, back and side, was pure magic. Still something to love and enjoy ... this was never repeated even after DSOTM ... of with RW who turned a 3D moment into a 2D crap'er in his shows! Roger might know and create a lot of stuff, but he has no feel for its presentation whatsoever!

Edited by moshkito - 7 hours 1 minutes ago at 08:34

moshkito wrote: and the version on the Sampler was not that good in my ears. It also sounded like it was doctored in parts ... a criminal offense!

I sort of know that, but I can't help but respond the way I do to it. Of course I'd love for them it if was something closer to that on the Wyzardo (which I haven't heard). I love that doctored in parts, wondrous little tune nevertheless.