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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BrufordFreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 hours 21 minutes ago at 07:11
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I have a confession.

I just don't view music like this anymore. I don't care if it's "progressive." I don't care if it's something new, pushing boundaries, or complex.

I just like music. It might be completely obscure RPI. It might be the Carpenters. Or AC/DC (Bon era, of course). I listen to tons of late '70s pop songs. Favorite modern rock is The Beths, The Warning, Cherry Glazerr, Starcrawler to name a few.

Don't get me wrong. There are a ton of prog bands I love, but I love them because I like their music. Not because they are progressive, complex, or doing anything "new and groundbreaking." Just don't care about those considerations.

No offense intended. Not trying to diss the thread topic. Just my two cents.


I love your attitude! and agree with it! An artist might even move away from that which we call "Prog" and still make great music, right?!

I second Jim's motion: I just like music.
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Whenever I get burned out on Rock , Prog, I go to pop hits of the 60’s and 70’s on Pandora. I have a “we five” channel and a spanky and our gang channel that play pop songs from childhood. The songwriting skills of 60s pop is beautiful & fascinating.   Melodies. “you were on my mind”. “Windy” “Lazy Day”.     Very uplifting and expertly done. I do it just to break the rock fatigue I get sometimes.
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About being innovative, what not looks rather derivative from some previous, specific music, that is innovative enough to me, as that's what matters to me.






Edited by David_D - 15 hours 51 minutes ago at 07:41
                      quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 hours 42 minutes ago at 07:50
This website is very strict on which artists get included and which do not. Regardless of whether one thinks of this as a good thing or not, it can result in users thinking too much in terms of inclusion or exclusion. At AP (or RYM, for that matter) anything can be added, and users who prefer those websites might end up being much more relaxed about these things.

When I listen to new music, I tag it at AP, which includes (optionally) deciding whether it is non-prog, prog-adjacent or prog. I usually assign this without too much deliberation. If it feels "prog" to me, it gets assigned that way. This decision is also completely decoupled from assigning the rating.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Valdez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 hours 20 minutes ago at 08:12
Yeah if you want to find new music (as it is released ) AP is a wonderful website. Each newly released album has a link attached so you can listen. It’s a great way to hear what’s new.And if you find something new you can add it yourself. It’s easy to see that Mike takes his website very seriously and is always improving. RYM is way too restrictive and complicated to list new albums. I tried to list albums on RYM … what a nightmare.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 hours 25 minutes ago at 09:07
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

About being innovative, what not looks rather derivative from some previous, specific music, that is innovative enough to me, as that's what matters to me.

For instance, The Snow Goose and Eloy's Ocean are surely influenced by Pink Floyd, but I still love them.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 hours 43 minutes ago at 09:49
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

About being innovative, what not looks rather derivative from some previous, specific music, that is innovative enough to me, as that's what matters to me.

For instance, The Snow Goose and Eloy's Ocean are surely influenced by Pink Floyd, but I still love them.




Maybe it's just me but I don't really hear a PF influence on Snow Goose. I'm not sure what influence it is other than maybe classical music but I really don't hear Floyd. I guess we all hear what we hear. You are definitely right about Eloy though especially on Ocean and SC&ME.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 hours 44 minutes ago at 10:48
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Have Squarepusher and Radiohead ever identified as prog bands? From what I've seen they're not universally put into the progressive rock category by their listeners.


Nope but neither are Phish, Tool or Muse. And while we're at it there's probably a lot of fans of Pink Floyd, Rush and Genesis who don't know the term prog let alone what it is.


Tool is categorized as a prog band by many people, and they're on PA.

https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1199

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Some readers may prefer seeing suggestions posted. It's a great topic, and it would benefit from sticking to it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Themistocles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 hours 20 minutes ago at 12:12
Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

I think that the progressive rock genre itself is, by nature, antiquated. Thus, say, if a brand spankin new prog rock project came out: fresh, modern, experimental, groundbreaking, not sounding like Yes, etc, it wouldn't feel like progressive rock. And I bet that if that hypothetical band didn't flat out stick a big glossy prog rock label onto it works, and let the listeners decide instead, nobody would even think that it belongs to this genre.


Agreed!   I guess the prog rock designation is just easy to hitch a ride on.


agreed, progressive is an attitude for production not so much a genre

that said every artist is in itself a small business and music is so genre dominated





Edited by Themistocles - 11 hours 19 minutes ago at 12:13
Sjå, my first album in 25+ years is out now: https://jeffjahn.bandcamp.com/album/sj   I am told its quite original
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 9 hours 15 minutes ago at 14:17
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Some readers may prefer seeing suggestions posted. It's a great topic, and it would benefit from sticking to it.


Let's see ... "shattering boundaries". I'm struggling to come up with recommendations, having listened to a really wide range of releases over the years especially from the RIO/Avant/Experimental corner of prog, there is hardly anything left that hasn't been done. Even when turning to pure noise, there is a wide variety of artists ...

It's been a long time since I've heard something truly unique. Last year there was Geordie Greep (black midi) who really managed to surprise me. This year Devin Townsend really wowed me with The Moth, but it's not yet out as a formal release. Today I listened to Atomic Time - Subsounds, really nice Floydian mix of prog rock awesomeness. Other than that, I really enjoyed Brass Camel's latest release, they're having a blast of a time just Art Rocking with tremendous groove.

And of course, Igorrr's new release is coming up




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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Some readers may prefer seeing suggestions posted. It's a great topic, and it would benefit from sticking to it.
Why try and kill an actual ongoing discussion on a dying forum? A thread to me is often organic like real life is. You react to a comment and it takes you on a differnt path than the starting point underways. Things happen, and for the most part it's what keeps a thread alive. There's nothing REALLY new that's still Prog Rock anyway. Any geniunely new music in 2025, if it exists, is not Prog Rock - or Rock.

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Looking forward to that new Igorrr
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 7 hours 59 minutes ago at 15:33

I'd like also to tell that I have a big need for variation too, but I take good care of that need by listening to really many different artists from many different genres and countries, and from all decades since 1950s - I could recommend that.





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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Have Squarepusher and Radiohead ever identified as prog bands? From what I've seen they're not universally put into the progressive rock category by their listeners.


Nope but neither are Phish, Tool or Muse. And while we're at it there's probably a lot of fans of Pink Floyd, Rush and Genesis who don't know the term prog let alone what it is.


Tool is categorized as a prog band by many people, and they're on PA.

https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1199




Ok, so what if I took out Tool and put in Primus instead.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Some readers may prefer seeing suggestions posted. It's a great topic, and it would benefit from sticking to it.
Why try and kill an actual ongoing discussion on a dying forum? A thread to me is often organic like real life is. You react to a comment and it takes you on a differnt path than the starting point underways. Things happen, and for the most part it's what keeps a thread alive. There's nothing REALLY new that's still Prog Rock anyway. Any geniunely new music in 2025, if it exists, is not Prog Rock - or Rock.

My intention was to encourage posting music that fits the criterion in the first place! It may happen that people forget that there was a worthwhile topic to begin with.

Other than that, the supposedly "dying" status of the forum in my view isn't good enough a justification to derail a thread, but people will talk about what they want to talk about anyway, so I am in no danger of killing anything.
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This came out last year but I think it fits the topic. Richard Henshall - "Mu"


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5 hours 48 minutes ago at 17:44
EXCELLENT! This is the response I was hoping to see!! Not just endless banter about "Does Rush suck??" or "Which side of TFTO is worse!" but some REAL deep-digging into the topic!!

My late friend, Colin Carter of FLASH, recorded some really nice music before he died, I love his final effort!   He was always known more for his vocals, but the man had some nice composing skills and guitar chops! See the link to "Tracks in Space!"

Colin Carter "Tracks in Space"



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hrychu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5 hours 18 minutes ago at 18:14
Are we derailing this thread, though? The semi-tangential discussions are after all still related to the subject of "what is or isn't new". I'd say it is on-topic. Besides, I personally can't post a lot of examples that fit cstack's criteria, simply because, all the recent rock music I personally listen to with pleasure (yes, modern bands) is either timeless or retro sounding.
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