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Garion81 
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 Topic: Local prog bands in United States 70-80Posted: February 25 2005 at 19:24 |
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Having read a book by Edward Macon called Rocking the Classics: English Progressive Rock and the Counterculture The author puts forth the socialogical theory that the wave of progressive groups from England hit big in three areas of the United States. I am doing some testing of this theory. I lived in one of the areas he mentioned and I think the best evidence of this theory would be progressive rock bands that sprang up locally in those areas.
I really believe in the US there were many prog bands still trying to get heard up to 1980 or so. I am kind of researching this because I believe it wasn't that there were no prog bands only that they were not being signed. This is contrary to most prog historians that say there was no prog movement per say in the US. How many local prog groups (I am strictly speaking in the US) between 1970-80 can you remember in your own area that never made it but were terrific musicians. Is it possible that you still have samples of this music?
Any other Americans how about you? Edited by Garion81 |
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James Lee
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Posted: February 25 2005 at 19:36 |
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I can't help too much, I grew up after the first wave. But I do know that New York State had a big flood of progressive metal in the 80s, upstate and on Long Island. Maybe a decade earlier there was a similar situation before I was conscious of 'the scene'. I'd be very interested to hear about the US regional progressive scene during the 70s; I agree that there was probably a lot more going on than we really know about. |
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Garion81
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Posted: February 25 2005 at 22:09 |
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James, I do have samples of what was happening here in SO Cal in the mid 70's if you are interested. You have to understand American Prog sprung up after 1970 while British was developing pre 1970. But that does not make it irrelevant. My theory is the record companies by not signing American Prog bands were the ones that effectively killed the genre. I mean really, America would have been the natural follow up to the Euro prog in the second half of the seventies. I will bump this thread for a while and maybe get a lurker or two to maybe PM me on this. I am like you I think there is a lot more to it than what actually came out of it. |
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threefates
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Posted: February 25 2005 at 22:57 |
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Alot from Calif... - Frank Zappa - Captain Beefheart - Djam Karet - Ambrosia who had a hit I think with "Holding on to Yesterday" and one other I think, they were also produced by Alan Parsons Kansas/Dixie Dregs Utopia - Vanilla Fudge - Savatage : NY Queensr˙che - Seattle Happy the Man - somewhere around Indiana? I think Babylon from Florida had one album, but it wasn't bad... Gypsy - from Minneapolis Captain Beyond - started by 2 guys from Iron Butterfly
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Garion81
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Posted: February 25 2005 at 23:37 |
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Thank you 3 Fates. Well for sure FZ and Beefhart but they became before the 1970 link. Ambrosia yes, and Kansas I had already mentioned. I am more after the groups coming out in the 70's during and after Yes, ELP, Genesis, Pink Floyd hit here. The years that is stated by prog historians that there was no prog music coming from the US. It is like the punk bands came from everywhere and they all got signed but not the prog bands that were before and during this period of time. The 4 I mentioned from my home town were good enough to get signed but never were. When I read about prog rock in books it seems that no one wanted to play this music in the US just buy albums and attend concerts which is a stupid notion. I am trying to gather evidence to refute that. |
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Cluster One
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Posted: February 26 2005 at 00:00 |
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Kind of a simplistic answer, and they're not from the US (Toronto is
close to the border though), but I'd say RUSH has to fit some way into
the question that you're asking. There really isn't much to
differentiate Canadian and US Prog in the 70's I'd presume (except for
maybe the French-Cdn offerings, but I digress)
RUSH (like Kansas) were obviously influenced by the 'English Prog Wave' that washed across North American shores in the first half of the 70's. Their first 'real prog' offering '2112' was only released in 1976... |
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James Lee
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Posted: February 26 2005 at 00:05 |
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It's starting to sound like a conspiracy theory. It just doesn't add up...obviously prog was hugely popular here; record sales in the US prove that. There wasn't any shortage of talented/ experimental musicians, either. So where were all the prog bands? |
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threefates
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Posted: February 26 2005 at 01:15 |
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A couple more:
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Garion81
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Posted: February 26 2005 at 13:56 |
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Where these bands signed? Do you know where they came from? and about what time frame? Sorry for all the questions. 
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Garion81
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Posted: February 26 2005 at 14:03 |
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Ah James methinks you get to the heart of the matter. The idea was they were here in great numbers. The fact was the record companies did not sign any more prog or experimental music after 1972. Kansas being signed was almost a fluke and Ambrosia had a lot of radio hits to make them attractive. There seems to be this attitude that America never caught on to the prog side of things in these books publications and even in the attitude of many people now. I don't think it is correct and for all those people who did try and were snubbed I am going to try and offer an alternative view if I can. Edited by Garion81 |
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threefates
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Posted: February 26 2005 at 14:46 |
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Hands had out one album in the late 70s then didn't come back till the 90s. I believe they are listed on this site. There was another band called Catherdral that did one album in 78 then came back again later... also Pavlov's Dog... French TV had their first album out in the middle 80s, and then didn't come back till the 90s. Harlequin Mass isn't listed on this site for some reason and also took a break in the late 80s.. but here's a bio for them. http://www.silentera.com/family/carl/music/harlequinMass/ For another Canadian band that continued thru the 80s, there's Saga. Fates Warning started in the early 80s.. Dream Theater in the late 80s... Montrose had a couple of albums in the early 80s, some consider them prog metal... a US band named "However", sort of fusion, had a few albums out in the early 80s. Pat Metheny and Jean-Luc Ponty continued thru the 80s, Edited by threefates |
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Garion81
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Posted: February 26 2005 at 17:50 |
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Thank you that is very helpful. Anymore People? Keep them comming.
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Posted: February 26 2005 at 17:56 |
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Cesar Inca
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Posted: February 26 2005 at 18:00 |
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YEZDA URFA!! Great stuff, indeed! You can ńisten to their repertoire in this link http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/yezdaurfamusic.htm Imagine a mixture of Yes and GG, plus some occasional fusion stuff and acoustic folk, and that's a pretty fair description. Now... listen!!
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lucas
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Posted: February 26 2005 at 18:09 |
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Other american prog bands of the seventies : Happy The Man Fireballet Netherworld Pentwater Electromagnets (jazz-fusion, with Eric Johnson) Edited by lucas |
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Cesar Inca
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Posted: February 26 2005 at 18:09 |
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Hi, again. I've read about FLIGHT, LIFT, THE LOAD, MIRTHRANDIR & QUILL, but I haven't heard anything of them yet. No one mentioned STARCASTLE so far? Edited by Cesar Inca |
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Cesar Inca
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Posted: February 26 2005 at 18:17 |
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I once read tha Kerry Livgren cited TOUCH as a major influence for KANSAS while the ywere coming up with theor own sound. This DPRP link http://www.dprp.net/forgotten/touch/index.html discusses the history and only album by TOUCH. I hope you find it interesting. Regards. |
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Posted: February 26 2005 at 18:32 |
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Wow, They're amazing. |
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James Lee
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Posted: February 26 2005 at 19:29 |
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Starcastle is from the US? I always just assumed they came from the same place as Yes.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 06:11 |
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I have a double LP set by American Gypsy released 1971 on Epic or Columbia Records - for the most part soft rock, but the long opus Dead & Gone(?) goes through very distinct prog changes. The same band, TF? Todd Rungren/Utopia? Touch (after recording one of the seminal prog albums in 68/9, funded by Jimi Hendrix) did not survive into the early 70's. And what happened to The United States Of America? Happy The Man, as Stan Whittaker would admit is late 70'. The UK music weekly Melody maker, published a centre page spread on essential US rock and prog bands around 75/6. Amonst the Mahogany Rush type bands, Kansas and Meatloaf were included - the Todd Rundgren production (and guitarwork) and Steinman's mock operatic rock of Bat Out Of Hell, has a strong measure of prog. And don't forget Spirit's 12 Dreams Of Dr Sardonicus (1971 release?) - almost prog but without being able to cut the ties of psychedelia - remember Spirit split in Randy California's various 70's and 80's projects and Jay Ferguson's Jo Jo Gunne. But hadn't Vanilla Fudge split by the 70's e.g. into the short-lived Beck Boggert Appice, and even providing Rod Stewart with a rhythm section for 10 years......................?
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