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Manunkind
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Posted: July 15 2005 at 06:07 |
My prayers and sympathies to your friend and you, Tony. I've stepped onto this road many times already but never walked it too far and somehow managed to turn around each and every time. And even though your friend seems to be almost at the end of that road, I do hope it's still possible for him to throw in reverse gear and never look back  .
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Tony R
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Posted: July 15 2005 at 04:08 |
Thanks guys.
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James Lee
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Posted: July 15 2005 at 01:41 |
maani wrote:
James:
You would have made a great counseling minister! |
My post sounded a little fatalistic and morbid when I re-read it. I'm glad it wasn't percieved that way.
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maani
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Posted: July 15 2005 at 00:10 |
James:
You would have made a great counseling minister!
Tony:
I currently counsel two people who are suicidal. One is someone who I could call a "friend," though probably not as close as you are with yours. As suggested by my comment to James, the first step to understanding suicidal thought and action is to understand what it means to live in constant fear, angst, hate, disappointment, betrayal, etc. - whatever feeling or combination of feelings makes a person dread living through each day (or sometimes each moment). In the case of my friend, she is vritually "electrically charged" every second of every day. If it were not for her therapist, her best friend and myself, she would almost certainly not still be alive.
The second step in handling suicidal people - especially friends - is very difficult, because it requires a person to virtually split themselves in two. On the one hand, it is, of course, critical to provide love, support, an "ear," etc. On the other, one must be able to "remove" oneself enough to avoid any feelings of helplessness - and especially guilt - should the person succeed in taking their own life. In this regard, the comments of the parents of your other friend are not only unhelpful, they are almost antithetical to understanding and dealing with suicide.
My love, support and prayers are with you, and especially with your friend.
Peace.
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tuxon
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 21:37 |
I'm sorry to hear this.
I hope you can cope with it, and hopefully your friend will be alright.
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James Lee
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 21:06 |
Suicides rarely get sympathy from people who don't know what it is like
to dread and despise every waking moment- though if we examine our rage
at a loved one's departure, we just might see a little envy and
resentment for leaving us here alone, stuck with eveything from which
they're now free. Does he actually hate life, or just have some
daunting problems? Almost any problem can be fixed...but if he has
truly begun to look forward to the release and relief of death, all you
can do as a friend is prepare yourself to let him go.
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Garion81
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 18:08 |
Tony R wrote:
For the second time in my life a close friend is hell-bent on self-destruction through drugs.When I was at Uni a friend OD'd and died-his parents actually blamed me for not "being by his side to protect him"
Now another friend,a very good old friend is doing the same.He tried to commit suicide last night.
I cant go through this again.....
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Hard to know what to say Tony. Just don't give up.
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"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
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Hangedman
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Location: Canada
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 15:23 |
Ive had people in my life go down that road. It isnt pleasant to say the least. Painfull for everyone involved. My sypmpathies Tony 
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Syzygy
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 14:37 |
Had a similar experience myself a few years back - having come back from the brink of self destruction myself, I saw a friend do something similar in the wake of a very messy divorce. Thankfully he came through it, and I hope your mate gets over his problems too.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Snow Dog
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 14:35 |
Tony R wrote:
I cant go through this again.....
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Sorry to hear this Tony, but you seem a very strong character to me. Nothing like this as ever happened to me though, so I can't say that I know what you're going through.
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 14:16 |
Jeez. That's pretty heavy.
I've actually had to deal with suicide myself. My brother tried to commit suicide a couple of years back, he's a lot happier nowadays (which is a very good thing). 
And my father's best friend and business partner commited suicide about a year ago.
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Tony R
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Joined: July 16 2004
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 14:13 |
For the second time in my life a close friend is hell-bent on self-destruction through drugs.When I was at Uni a friend OD'd and died-his parents actually blamed me for not "being by his side to protect him"
Now another friend,a very good old friend is doing the same.He tried to commit suicide last night.
I cant go through this again.....
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