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Topic: Sounds like ..... Gosh Posted: February 16 2007 at 07:07 |
When observing prog music discussions on internet all over the world the most used word in all the reviews of albums and bands in the last 15 years is "... sounds like....". For example: STYX, or even SPOCKS BEARD (ok, partially).
Or in discussion with friends you say " .... their music remembers me a bit of ...."
Isn't that boring? Does it mean, that rock is going to wash out? Is it the spring of the decade. Or do I over estimate that feeling?
What bands don't "sound like"? What are the names of those artists that had their own style?
For me: - Yes - Genesis - Gentle Giant - King Crimson - The Beatles - UK - Jethro Tull - Mike Oldfield just to name a few. What are yours?
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Froth
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 07:55 |
i do worry. i think rock music has been struggling to come up with new stuff since the mid 70s which is partly why prog rock dissapeared, because there wasnt much left to do. now in 2007, this is much more of a problem and i personally think that the only way for more innovative music to return is to stop looking at Jazz, Classical and rock as seperate enterties. i know it probably sounds like quite an obvious solution but these genres have all reached a dead end by refusing to recognise each others contributions to music. I dont mean just some lame 'fusion' thing or 'symphonic rock' or anything so nieve as that, i just think the time has come to get rid of the idea of genres once and for all
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 08:12 |
Froth wrote:
i do worry. i think rock music has been struggling to come up with new stuff since the mid 70s which is partly why prog rock dissapeared, because there wasnt much left to do. now in 2007, this is much more of a problem and i personally think that the only way for more innovative music to return is to stop looking at Jazz, Classical and rock as seperate enterties. i know it probably sounds like quite an obvious solution but these genres have all reached a dead end by refusing to recognise each others contributions to music. I dont mean just some lame 'fusion' thing or 'symphonic rock' or anything so nieve as that, i just think the time has come to get rid of the idea of genres once and for all |
Your wishes are already coming true in many ways. For example, the hour-long composition 'Blood on the Floor' by Mark Antony Turnage, a British 'classical' composer, makes good use of John Scofield's electric guitar and Peter Erskine's drumming. It's a far more convincing fusion of jazz-rock and contemporary classical than, for example, Deep Purple's Concerto.
Other examples:
- Zappa's 'Dog Breath Variations' were prog-rock when they first appeared on UNCLE MEAT, and I guess they're 'classical' music when played by Pierre Boulez or the Ensemble Modern.
- Most European jazz pianists who are now in their twenties or thirties got a thorough grounding in classical playing at the conservatoire. Their improvisations reflect the traditions of jazz, blues, rock AND European concert music. (E.g. the chap who now plays the piano in Bill Bruford's Earthworks.)
- Astor Piazolla's tangos were clearly influenced by jazz AND late-romantic orchestral music.
I'm sure there's much, much more...
Edited by fuxi - February 16 2007 at 08:13
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 11:38 |
I'm not sure that I'd interpret the "sounds like" references as any sort of signal that music is dying.
Statements that one bands sounds like another more famous one are usually only given to offer an indication of the type of music you can expect to hear. It's a bit like describing someone by comparing their looks to a famous actor or actress (in my case George Clooney!).
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 11:51 |
There are plenty of unique sounding bands around if you look. If you mention one of these bands to someone who hasn't heard them, the obvious question they're going to ask is "what do they sound like?", so it's hard to avoid. Personally I find it hard in most cases, I'm still trying to work out who Deus Ex Machina sound like.
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 12:20 |
anthamatten wrote:
What bands don't "sound like"? What are the names of those artists that had their own style?
For me: - Yes - Genesis - Gentle Giant - King Crimson - The Beatles - UK - Jethro Tull - Mike Oldfield just to name a few. What are yours?
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And the question is: in their early years, those groups must have been compare to others? To what groups the critics compare The Beatles, Yes, Mike Oldfield?
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 12:25 |
anthamatten wrote:
Isn't that boring?
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No, that's actually useful.
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 12:45 |
I would say that there seem to be many users of Prog websites, such as this one, that hear plagiarism in nearly everything they listen to. Thus damning much new music and consigning it to the trash can.
Personally, it would be refreshing if people listened to music with an open mind, enjoying all that the new artists had to offer, instead of saying things like "heard it all before" or "it sounds just like....". The fact is that all artists (except possibly tribute bands) have something new to offer - if only people would listen.
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 12:49 |
Easy Livin wrote:
I'm not sure that I'd interpret the "sounds like" references as any sort of signal that music is dying.
Statements that one bands sounds like another more famous one are usually only given to offer an indication of the type of music you can expect to hear. It's a bit like describing someone by comparing their looks to a famous actor or actress (in my case George Clooney!). |
Hmmm - is that so?
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 13:37 |
It's amazing when a band has their own, totally distinctive sound ... but it's not a must. I mean, there's no point in being unique just for the sake of being unique.
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 13:42 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
It's amazing when a band has their own, totally distinctive sound ... but it's not a must. I mean, there's no point in being unique just for the sake of being unique.
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Isn't that how we ended up with Captain Beefheart? Or Tom Waits etc. Two artists that are just a bit too unique for my tastes. 
(I always, somehow, get on Mike's nerves with my posts - I wonder if this will have the same effect?)
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 15:41 |
No need to be unique "for the the sake of being unique".
But it seems to me the rule "no unique sound = no great band (artist)" works always.
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 16:46 |
All music sounds like something previoulsy recorded. All music is made of seven notes, therefore every new song is a ripoff of all previous ones. I just enjoy music for what it is.
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Froth
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 16:48 |
Dieu wrote:
anthamatten wrote:
What bands don't "sound like"? What are the names of those artists that had their own style?
For me: - Yes - Genesis - Gentle Giant - King Crimson - The Beatles - UK - Jethro Tull - Mike Oldfield just to name a few. What are yours?
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And the question is: in their early years, those groups must have been compare to others? To what groups the critics compare The Beatles, Yes, Mike Oldfield?
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intersting that people concider mike oldfield to be totally origional. when tubular bell first came out the critics slated it for copying Steve Reich, Terry Riley and Phillip Glass. Reich's far better than Oldfield in my opinion and, though i wouldnt say Tubular Bells completely copies those guys, it was still far from unique.
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 21:43 |
I'll give you two extremes -
Wolfmother. My little brother loves them, he thinks they embody all the great things about Zeppelin & AC/DC... Yeah, that sort of thing. I, on the other hand, just constantly think when I hear it, "That just sounds too familiar... I've heard this before!"
Then there's a band like the Animal Collective. Their music is unlike anything I've heard... It's primal, fun, insane, and powerful. But then again, when I let someone listen to it, he said, "Hey! These guys sound like the Bealtes." I just chuckled to myself.
People are bound to make connections, no matter what you do. I don't think it's a testament to the lack of originality currently (every generation has their sound-a-likes and rehashes, right?).
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Matt Dickens
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 23:47 |
How about Meshuggah for originality?
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 01:15 |
The Miracle wrote:
All music sounds like something previoulsy recorded. All music is made of seven notes, therefore every new song is a ripoff of all previous ones. I just enjoy music for what it is. |
7 notes? 
In western music there are 12 notes, sir.
If you add eastern music, you get more because instruments like sitars are tuned to have something like 18 notes (not sure of the exact number).
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 11:00 |
Glueman wrote:
Isn't that how we ended up with Captain Beefheart? Or Tom Waits etc. Two artists that are just a bit too unique for my tastes.  |
Well I wouldn't play them EVERY DAY, but I sure like them from time to time - fast and bulbous!
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 12:32 |
What do you mean by "bulbous"?
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 16:33 |
People always tend to categorize things, even music.. I guess they feel comfortable with a sense of familiarity..
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