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    Posted: July 20 2007 at 07:46
I don't know if it belongs in here as it applies to all genres, but I have a feeling I must be one of a very small selection of people that actually doesn't like live music as much as listening to it on the CD or whatever format you listen to.

What with all the crowd, and the constant talking by the vocalist or musicians, it ruins an atmosphere that the record would create. And rarely does it sound as good live as it does on the record.

Am I alone in the this perception or are there other people who feel this way?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 07:52
I think it is strange you feel like that. Nothing but a good concert to emerge yourself in. Does it really distract you so much that the artists announce their numbers? Or are you perhaps just uncomfortable among a crowd?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 07:55
There's no music like live music.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 07:55
No I don't think it's so much uncomfortable, but merely the atmosphere that I would usually immerse myself in at home or where i take my mp3 player an listen to music outside, is lost in a concert where there are so many people, and the music rarely sounding as good as it does on the CD, especially a lot of the little nuances in an artists music that they can't really recreate live.

I don't know it has it's plus points I suppose, but I'd much prefer to listen to an album I think.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 08:01
I adore live music and in someways prefer it to studio, there are some bands who just cannot re-create the intensity they produce on stage in a studio - there are others who are so over produced and polished in the studio it is refreshing to hear them stripped-down and raw on stage.
 
However as I grow ever older I do wish they would provide more seating. There wasn't enough at Prog Power II, so standing for best part of 12 hours was too much for my aching bones and I'm way past sitting on the floor...
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 08:39
hi,
have you tried to listen to The Delicate Sound Of Thunder ? the Pink Floyd live..?
just to mention one, perhaps this could chenge your view..  Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 08:47
^ didn't like Gilmour's mix on that... also, though that tour was very good, you realized it was more of a staged production than a rock show after seeing it two or more nights








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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 09:00
All I can tell you is that if I didn't like live concerts I would have deprived myself of some incredible moments and memories in my life.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 09:09
Originally posted by cuoredifalena cuoredifalena wrote:

hi,
have you tried to listen to The Delicate Sound Of Thunder ? the Pink Floyd live..?
just to mention one, perhaps this could chenge your view..  Clap


I don't know if this big live album change every life. But my life has changed the first time that I listen to "The Delicate Sound Of Thunder"!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 09:37
Originally posted by coleio coleio wrote:

I don't know if it belongs in here as it applies to all genres, but I have a feeling I must be one of a very small selection of people that actually doesn't like live music as much as listening to it on the CD or whatever format you listen to.

What with all the crowd, and the constant talking by the vocalist or musicians, it ruins an atmosphere that the record would create. And rarely does it sound as good live as it does on the record.

Am I alone in the this perception or are there other people who feel this way?
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Hi coleio,
 
You're not alone here. Though I shouldn't say I don't like live music, I just prefer studio albums. I like live performance because it lets you see what the band can do in real life without sound recording technology. But I can't stand the show. Whenever they start smoke and fire on stage I bail out. For that reason I don't go to concerts (the last one I saw was Queen in 1980, with Mercury riding the Superman) and rarely watch such dance-and-sing parties like Aerosmith on MTV (and if I do, it's out of curiosity, there's no musical merit in it anyway). To me a studio recording is what the band' s musical thought and intellect is in its polished, refined form,  not just the mastery of their musicianship on stage.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 09:40
On the contrary, I have come to like, love, need more the live versions of my music. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 09:42
Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by coleio coleio wrote:

I don't know if it belongs in here as it applies to all genres, but I have a feeling I must be one of a very small selection of people that actually doesn't like live music as much as listening to it on the CD or whatever format you listen to.

What with all the crowd, and the constant talking by the vocalist or musicians, it ruins an atmosphere that the record would create. And rarely does it sound as good live as it does on the record.

Am I alone in the this perception or are there other people who feel this way?
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Hi coleio,
 
You're not alone here. Though I shouldn't say I don't like live music, I just prefer studio albums. I like live performance because it lets you see what the band can do in real life without sound recording technology. But I can't stand the show. Whenever they start smoke and fire on stage I bail out. For that reason I don't go to concerts (the last one I saw was Queen in 1980, with Mercury riding the Superman) and rarely watch such dance-and-sing parties like Aerosmith on MTV (and if I do, it's out of curiosity, there's no musical merit in it anyway). To me a studio recording is what the band' s musical thought and intellect is in its polished, refined form,  not just the mastery of their musicianship on stage.

You've articulated my thoughts perfectly, I was trying to think of how to put it and you've done it for me hahaSmile

It's good to know I'm not alone in feeling that way though, and I do agree, I don't really dislike live performances as such, because some of them were entertaining and interesting (Muse and Dream Theater being 2 of them).
But yeah, you desrcibed my feelings brilliantly Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 10:06
Originally posted by coleio coleio wrote:

No I don't think it's so much uncomfortable, but merely the atmosphere that I would usually immerse myself in at home or where i take my mp3 player an listen to music outside, is lost in a concert where there are so many people, and the music rarely sounding as good as it does on the CD, especially a lot of the little nuances in an artists music that they can't really recreate live.
 
Some bands are better than they are on CD, whilst others aren't.  But you'll never know which is which unless you go see them live! 
 
I can say that I'm not that crazy about live albums.  I either want the studio album or see them live. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 10:43
Originally posted by coleio coleio wrote:

I don't know if it belongs in here as it applies to all genres, but I have a feeling I must be one of a very small selection of people that actually doesn't like live music as much as listening to it on the CD or whatever format you listen to.

What with all the crowd, and the constant talking by the vocalist or musicians, it ruins an atmosphere that the record would create. And rarely does it sound as good live as it does on the record.

Am I alone in the this perception or are there other people who feel this way?
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If the songs are played in the same way as the studio versions you are completely right. Today that's unfortunately a usual strategy of some bands but not my thing.

Okay - I can remember concerts where the crowd was noisy, people were talking
during silent parts and I was very very angry about it.
But this have been only exceptions.

I absolutely love live music when the songs are interpreted new, extended with experimental elements and the musicians are interacting with the crowd.
Otherwise there is no reason for me to visit concerts or to buy a live CD.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 10:45
Try Genesis Live. The audience are very quiet in the quiet bits (e.g. in Get' em out by Friday, you could hear the proverbial pin drop). I much prefer the versions on this to the originals but this is partly because of their duff production.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 10:56
I definitely prefer live albums to studio albums, but there are some bands that simply are NOT live bands. An example is Genesis. They are simply horrible live. The reason is that they try to stick too close to the studio material on their live albums. If you try that you can only lose - of course the perfection of studio albums can't be reproduced live. If you make a mistake on a studio album, you simply do another take - that's not possible live.
However, the wonderful spontaneity and the quick exchanging of musical ideas of bands who simply let the music flow live can lead to an experience you just can't have with a studio album. An example for that are Gong. No two versions of a song by Gong sound alike, that's why it is possible to have dozens of live albums of them and enjoy them all because you never know what happens with them. And that is what in my opinion is the mark of an excellent musician - to be able to play in such a "flowing" mood.
However, if it is technical perfection that you are after, it has to be studio for you. But there is something about perfection that makes it rather dull - it doesn't leave you longing. True beauty lies in imperfection. You could create thousand of identical vases in a factory, but that one handmade vase with its slight imperfections is much more beautiful than all these thousand perfect replicas.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 11:03
I would also cite The Enid - they never sounded right on abum when compared to hearing them live.I know of several (non-prog) people who saw them with me who were completely blown away by the performance and even went as far as joining The Enid Appreciation Society (or later The Stand), yet never got into them on record. Even their live ablums failed to capture whatever magical essence was present at the gigs that made them so impressive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 11:36
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Try Genesis Live. The audience are very quiet in the quiet bits (e.g. in Get' em out by Friday, you could hear the proverbial pin drop). I much prefer the versions on this to the originals but this is partly because of their duff production.
 
Uhm....perhaps now would be a good time to divulge that I've never been a Genesis fan.  I can just about bear one or two albums, but half way through I start to get fidgety. 
 
That being said, I do recognise and respect what they've meant to the prog world...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 12:05

Since the invention of the DVD I prefer to watch live DVD's rather than listening to studio CD's! In my opinion the combination of listening and watching creates an extra dimension and I have always been a huge fan of live albums (more powerful, more energetic, more atmosphere, great tracklist that spans the entire career). I have build up a large collection of bootlegs because often the offical live albums are inferior to the bootlegs:  like UK with Night After Night is a lacklustre live CD in comparison with the excellent 2-CD Parissian Rendez-vous and Genesis Earls Court 1977 (2-CD) is so much better than Seconds Out: the bass pedals sound more powerful, Hackett really shines, the track list is way more interesting and you can hear Banks his Mellotron more omnipresent Thumbs%20Up The Wall Live 2-CD box set is a very good example of an official live CD that sounds great, other favorite live albums are Welcome Back .. by ELP (so exciting, great extended soli), Yessongs (the band at their pinnacle, what an interplay and awesome soli, way better than on the studio albums) and especially Barclay James Harvest Live and Live Tapes, superior to the a bit laidback studio versions. And let's not forget Rush, another band that always sounds great on stage and delivers musical surprises Thumbs%20Up

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2007 at 12:20

Music is created live.  Many studio techniques while giving a slick sound to the music also create an artificial way to experience the music.  Live Music is full of surprises some intended some not.  Just recently at Calprog Jordan Rudess and Rod Morgenstein were performing a great piece of music.  At the end they both just looked at each other and started laughing.  Rudess came to the mike and said "We don't know the name of that because we just created it here and now".  You can't find that on CD's. In some way they take the human experience out it. 

 
BTW One of the best experiences live is Genesis. They don't need to improvise every solo to make it unique. Genesis strength is not in individual solos but the entire group sound and It can't be captured on a live album you have to be there.  The sound they create is simply incredible.   After every show I have seen I have walked out stunned.
 


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