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    Posted: April 13 2008 at 13:22
Well I've been searching for a while hard rock bands from the 70's so far I got this:

Deep Purple (mainly all their discography)
Led Zeppelin (also)
Black Sabbath (4 albums by them, their best IMO)
Nazareth (Hair of the Dog)
Scorpions (Lonesome Crow)
Rainbow (debut)
Trapeze (Medusa and You are the Music)
Bad Company (debut and second)
Free (Heartbreaker)
Ram Jam (both albums)
Alice Cooper (school's out, Billion Dollar Babies)
Ac/Dc (High Voltage, Jailbreak '74, Back in Black and Ballbreaker)
Kiss (Hotter than Hell and debut)
Whitesnake (Lovehunter, Ready an' Willing and Come an' Get it)

Not mentioning heavy prog bands...
So which album do you think is their best or you think I really would like with my taste.
I repeat: I hate metal. My limit is to hard rock, with very few heavy tendencies exceptions.
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Try the first Montrose album or the first two Lone Star ones.
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No, you can absolutely not like UFO. It's illegal!
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I think you might like them. Stylistically, they are one of the quintessential 70s hard rock bands. If you're just gonna get one album, I suggest you try "Lights Out".

If you want a solid overview of their best work, there are two compilations you ought to try. First, there is "An Introduction to UFO," which pretty much looks at their early 70s space-rock/boogie-rock fare. Then, try "The Essential UFO" (released in the early 90s). That one looks at their mid-to-late 70s heyday.
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of course, one of the great semi-progressive hard rock bands, my personal favorites are with Schenker, as Obsession
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^ Indeed! It's been a really long time since I listened to them though...and given that your quite a rabid 70's hard rock fan, cacho, this should please you.

Another bonus heavy prog recommendation: Lucifer's Friend - I've only heard their first album, but you should love it! Thumbs%20Up
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

of course, one of the great semi-progressive hard rock bands, my personal favorites are with Schenker, as Obsession
 
Agreed - Schenker was the real star of UFO. His own group MSG are well worth checking out - better than UFO in many ways - as are his former group the Scorpions. Any of the Scorps' stuff with Uli John Roth is fantastic - not that Schenker wasn't great, but he did live in UJR's shadow, somewhat. UJR's solo material is utterly mind-blowing Wink.
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Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

I hate metal.


Then why do you listen to Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Scorpions?Wink

As for UFO, the only album I of theirs I own is the live album Strangers in the Night. It's very close to metal, though apparently not close enough to get on the Metal Archives Confused (which, mind you, do include Rush). It's a long time ago I last listened to it but it's a bit more similar to the typical NWoBHM style than Sabbath or Purple so I'm not sure if you'll like it.
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Hmm, I missed the point a bit.
I would go for Strangers in the Night - classic live album. Also Lights Out, Obsession and No Place To Run are good.
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Can you?
 
Rule 38(a)(2)(iii) of the Progressive Rock Manual and Bylaws (4th edition) states in very clear terms that you are allowed to like UFO for a reasonable amount of time but your listening to them is restricted to every other Thursday if and only if that falls during a half moon.
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Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Well I've been searching for a while hard rock bands from the 70's so far I got this:

Deep Purple (mainly all their discography)
Led Zeppelin (also)
Black Sabbath (4 albums by them, their best IMO)
Nazareth (Hair of the Dog)
Scorpions (Lonesome Crow)
Rainbow (debut)
Trapeze (Medusa and You are the Music)
Bad Company (debut and second)
Free (Heartbreaker)
Ram Jam (both albums)
Alice Cooper (school's out, Billion Dollar Babies)
Ac/Dc (High Voltage, Jailbreak '74, Back in Black and Ballbreaker)
Kiss (Hotter than Hell and debut)
Whitesnake (Lovehunter, Ready an' Willing and Come an' Get it)

Not mentioning heavy prog bands...
So which album do you think is their best or you think I really would like with my taste.
I repeat: I hate metal. My limit is to hard rock, with very few heavy tendencies exceptions.


Try to get the first 3 Alice Cooper albums. They're very good, especially compared to his later stuff.  Love it to Death being the most essential. 

Rainbow's Rising is easily their best album, much much better than the debut. 

Try to get some Elf (RJ. Dio's band before Rainbow).

other goodies:

Ross - The Pit and the Pendulum
Robert Savage - the Adventures of Robert Savage
James Gang - Miami, Born Again
Nitzinger - black, blue
Dust - Hard Attack, s/t
Juan De La Cruz - Up in Arms, Maskara, Shake Your Brains
Culpeper's Orchard - s/t
Mr. Albert Show - Warm Motor
Christmas - Heritage
Moxy - Moxy I, Moxy II
Kahvas Jute - Wide Open
Vox Dei - La Biblia, Cuero Caliente.
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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

of course, one of the great semi-progressive hard rock bands, my personal favorites are with Schenker, as Obsession
 
Agreed - Schenker was the real star of UFO. His own group MSG are well worth checking out - better than UFO in many ways - as are his former group the Scorpions. Any of the Scorps' stuff with Uli John Roth is fantastic - not that Schenker wasn't great, but he did live in UJR's shadow, somewhat. UJR's solo material is utterly mind-blowing Wink.


his Electric Sun was fabulous, especially the first three, Firewind in particular..  his latest classical excursions are OK, a tad Yngwie-ish for me (I miss his old style)..  Roth is probably the finest overall guitar player I'm aware of
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^I'd put him on a par with Jan Akkerman in many ways.
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The cover on their album Phenomenon has always been a favorite of mine. is the music any good?
Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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I really like the first 2 albums of UFO. they were the most prog of them


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eh, never been a fan of ufo.  isnt jason bonham drumming for them right now?
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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

The cover on their album Phenomenon has always been a favorite of mine. is the music any good?

 
Depends what you call "Any Good", really - the riffing and song constructions are average-to-good NWoBHM in style, while the vocal melodies are strong and accessible. The fact it was relased in 1974 shows how progressive it is for metal - but Prog Rock it ain't.
 
The guitar solos are the thing - Schenker's technical approach results in some strong constructions, mainly pentatonic, as you'd expect from early metal, with maybe the odd classical reference using standard diatonic major/minor constructions - but the key word is "constructions". Schenker used some "Vorsprung durch Technik" (with apologies to the German readers!) in his solo writing, which was highly unusual for rock bands of the time.
 
"Rock Bottom" is kinda UFO's signature tune, so "Phenomenon" is a good UFO album to get - if you're used to early metal like Priest's "Rocka Rolla", etc.
 
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I really like the first 2 albums of UFO. they were the most prog of them
 
I wouldn't really call them Prog - they're in the same vein as much early Kosmische music, but, I feel somewhat on the amateurish side. There are a couple of tracks from these on YouTube for reference -  quite cool and garagey - but the difference in professionalism between those two and the later ones with Schenker is notable. One could easily argue that the later offerings were more commercially slanted, of course.
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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

The guitar solos are the thing - Schenker's technical approach results in some strong constructions, mainly pentatonic, as you'd expect from early metal, with maybe the odd classical reference using standard diatonic major/minor constructions - but the key word is "constructions". Schenker used some "Vorsprung durch Technik" (with apologies to the German readers!) in his solo writing, which was highly unusual for rock bands of the time.

I think the key to is playing is how he mixes blues and the shredding, neo-classical technique. I've had Strangers in the Night playing for the last few days and it's remarkable how he plays so clean and he brings some great warmth to metal/hard rock.
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^"Strangers..." is probably the definitive UFO album - their music literally comes alive when taken out of the studio.

Coupla YouTubes from that era;
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB8S_luXiWU&feature=related - "Let It Roll" almost thrash, and written before "Exciter". Note the Iron Maiden style rhythms, temp changes and beautiful breakdown around 1:40 with some really nice occasional keyboard/guitar harmonies and unisons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZzZUyD00Fg&feature=related - promo for "Only You Can Rock Me" - classic with gorgeous melodies.
 
The best version of "Rock Bottom" (vocals apart...) (MSG);
 
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Points: 65792 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2008 at 03:32
I must admit as a young guitarist I wasn't impressed with Schenker on first listen..   his playing was so tasteful and refined I didn't appreciate it for awhile
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