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AtomicCrimsonRush 
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 Topic: Warning: stay away from these 5 prog albums!Posted: August 17 2009 at 22:59 |
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WARNING: stay away from these 5 prog albums!
Yes, I know its a negative thread but I really sincerely want to know which prog albums we should stay well clear of. Nobody wants to fork out $30 and take home a lemon! Perhaps some of you could enlighten us as to prog we really should avoid like the plague. I will start the ball rolling -
I just read a review flaming the following album:
my rating -
 - 4 ouches!We all know we need to stay clear of :
- 4 ouches!Although some disagree (why I cannot ever know) - As a huge Pink Floyd fan I am ambarrassed to have this in my collection - Its awful from start to finish and no redeeming features whatsoever.
And of course we must include in our hate list:
Dang this is bad - unbelievable for Metallica who are capable of brilliance. - Heck! Even 'Load' is better than this!
- 5 ouchesand then there is:
Whatever Oldfield was attempting here it fails on almost every level. A disappointing effort and one to avoid unless you are a completist.
- 5 ouchesand - da daaah!
- 4 ouches!Yes! There it is - the smiling Hawaii Five O lookalikes who assassinated great prog music single handedly on a sell out that infuriated fans and alienated everyone else.
OK flaming over for now.... Add to the list
Of course its subjective so be clear on why you include the albums - htey have to be almost universally hated. And if you are trying to be funny and include masterpieces, we will have to ignore that I suppose, because its bound to happen.
Create your list NOW! Stay away from these 5 prog albums!
Give it an ouch rating if you want to - (only 3 to choose to make it easy)
- 5 ouches - absolutely the pits (not one great song) so avoid this album! - 4 ouches - some value (1 great song only) but overall a waste of time even listening to this! - 3 ouches - some redeeming value (2 great songs perhaps) but otherwise the rest is a mess. |
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Epignosis
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Posted: August 17 2009 at 23:12 |
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I'm just pleased I didn't make the list...
And... The Final Cut is amazing. |
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Ricochet
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Posted: August 18 2009 at 04:06 |
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 --- I fully agree about Simon Railton. It rates among the worst kind of "prog making" I've ever heard (but it had to be added). I tend to agree about Final Cut. Not necesarrily an album you should stay the hell away from, nevertheless one of Floyd's lowest ever. I don't agree about Millenium Bell. Always had a soft spot for modern Oldfield, even if MB is definitely nothing more than a(nother) anniversary TB, it still sounds good. Love Beach's status is well-known, but I myself found some pleasant music in it. |
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progkidjoel
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Joined: March 02 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 19643 |
Posted: August 18 2009 at 04:10 |
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The Final Cut is easily my least favourite Floyd album, and probably in my top 5 most disliked albums of all time.
Don't own any of the others, so I'll take your word for it 
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Finnforest
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Posted: August 18 2009 at 05:15 |
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The Final Cut is wonderful.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: August 18 2009 at 05:19 |
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I like The Final Cut.
And Love Beach I have a soft spot for now as well. In fact...I love side 2 very much now. St Anger isn't a Prog album, but I quite like it too. Too get back on topic...I cant think of any at the moment. Earth Moving by Mike Oldfield is pretty bland....
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The Sleepwalker
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Posted: August 18 2009 at 05:43 |
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The Final Cut is one of the best albums ever made, it really is Roger Waters at his best. A very emotional and beautiful album. I can understand why many people do strongly dislike it though, as it's more of a Waters solo album than a true Pink Floyd album. But in my opinion the album does not have a single uninteresting song at all, maybe Not Now John doesn't really fit in with the other songs, but for example The Hero's Return, The Gunner's Dream and the title track are among the best songs the band has ever writen. I don't own or even know the music of the other albums on this list, but a 1.98 average rating for Love Beach isn't very promising.
By the way, if you look at the ratings of The Final Cut, the majority of them are 3 stars and higher, it even has quite a few 5 star ratings. It seems many people do like, while others hate it... this doesn't mean you should stay away from it, does it? Edited by floydispink - August 18 2009 at 05:56 |
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Dean
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Posted: August 18 2009 at 05:51 |
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The albums that people should stay away from are the ones they already have. Some of those obscure, hard to find albums were obscure and hard to find for a damn good reason.
millibell isn't bad, but it shouldn't have been called "bell" as it doesn't fit with the other versions and reversons of tubbybells.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 18 2009 at 05:54 |
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Don't see The Final Cut as Pink Floyd's worst album, see it more as a Roger Waters solo album.
I like it lots, so there 
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npjnpj
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Posted: August 18 2009 at 07:01 |
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Personally I'm very fond of both Final Cut and Love Beach. I agree with the other choices though. |
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American Khatru
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Posted: August 18 2009 at 08:19 |
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It's not right to have The Final Cut making this cut. It is in no way an album to "stay away from". Love Beach probably does belong; if you have a soft spot for it that's because you have a prejudice for ELP for some personal reason, as I do, but then that leaves you less than objective. Put it this way, a fan of the overall sound of prog who had not heard ELP could live a long healthy life and never hear that album. Pink Floyd, not so; The Final Cut is important, albeit a Roger Waters solo album. You don't have to like it of course, but it's not a bad album.
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 Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"? |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: August 18 2009 at 08:24 |
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I agree. I am a totally biased ELP fan so I like it. However if someone asked me to recommend ELP albums, Love Beach would definitely not make the list....and neither would In The Hot Seat for that matter!
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 18 2009 at 09:26 |
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See, as soon as you start a thread like this you will find people that actually like what you despise. So to offend some people for sure, I'm going to have to add this:
Lots of people rave about it. It just never really clicked with me. Still have it in my collection though. |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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lazland
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Posted: August 18 2009 at 09:30 |
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Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
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Abstrakt
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Posted: August 18 2009 at 09:35 |
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I kinda like St. Anger
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Bj-1
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Posted: August 18 2009 at 09:54 |
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Always liked St. Anger myself, but Final Cut was a big disappointment..
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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rpe9p
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Posted: August 18 2009 at 10:00 |
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 I dont dislike TFTO actually, but I can see where this thread is going Edited by rpe9p - August 18 2009 at 10:01 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 18 2009 at 10:31 |
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Lets See:
 Wow. this is the worst you can get 8 versions of Fanfare for the Common Man by Hip Hop DJ's.
- 5 ouches (Should be 10 ouches) Not a decent moment, from the horrendous Mama to the offensive Ilegal Alien.
- 5 ouches Wakeman calls it Onion because it makes him cry, I agree.
- 4 ouches! (A couple decent tracks by ABWH) - 5 ouches Mr Lobotomy is the peak of the Cheese.
- 5 ouchesIván
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: August 18 2009 at 10:54 |
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The Final Cut had certain attributes. Love beach has it's moments as well. I guess the guy who started the thread hasn't read much about ELP ( interviews etc. ) and how the album came about. Just too eager to pounce on an album because of it's cover and concept that wasn't really the band's idea. I put that album on the turntable ore than Brain Salad Surgery. Carl Palmer plays Canario all the time during his shows to this day. Why not start a thread discussing why these albums turned out the way they did rather than just slamming the hell out of them,
This is what I've been finding on the site over the past few months on this site is that is there are so many uninformed know it alls.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 18 2009 at 11:13 |
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I agree that The Final Cut has it's moments and that Love Beach has Canario (Nothing else IMO), as a fact I haven't posed any of this in y list, but the thread opener has the right to give his opinion, we do that daily when we place a 5 or a 1 star besides a review.
We are here to say what we believe, the reasons why the albums are bad is not our problem, as a fact I see the excuses of ELP for Love Beach as an offence for the fans.
They were tired, they wanted to split (Or release albums in their own label), but they had received money for another album from Atlantic Records, so in revenge they released a bad album that the fans (including me) bought trusting in the name Emerson Lake & Palmer, so at the end the fans paid the bill on a day when there was Internet to warn us which album was good or bad.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - August 18 2009 at 11:16 |
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