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    Posted: January 04 2013 at 17:43

I think reviewers do not get enough credit or the acknowledment they deserve, especially considering all the dedication, time and work they put into writing their reviews.

 
For the reader or prospect buyer, Reviewers may play a major role in helping bands to get noticed. Therefore, in no spefic order, I would like you to name your current top 5 or more favorite reviewers? Also if you wish, please describe the reason why you like them? Smile 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2013 at 18:47
I like greenback because he has similar tastes to mine, and is rather objective in his reviews (ex : GTR, Anderson's 'walk into light' and Yes's '90125' get quite good ratings while devin townsend's 'Terria' is very poorly rated /// often the opposite with die-hard progsters).
Be careful with some reviewers : sane trane abhors all that is linked to neo-prog so you will never find any positive review of a neo-prog album by him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2013 at 19:24
i don't have any favorite reviewers. To be frank, I don't even know the name of any reviewers in particular. I hardly ever read reviews. When checking out new things all I really need is some historical context which can be easily found online usually, and beyond that I'm fine with making my own opinions about things.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2013 at 19:56
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

I like greenback because he has similar tastes to mine, and is rather objective in his reviews (ex : GTR, Anderson's 'walk into light' and Yes's '90125' get quite good ratings while devin townsend's 'Terria' is very poorly rated /// often the opposite with die-hard progsters).
Be careful with some reviewers : sane trane abhors all that is linked to neo-prog so you will never find any positive review of a neo-prog album by him.
Hi Lucas Hug
 
You made a good point there actually; some bands may be in the wrong category. Who decides them?
 
Now this said; Lucas I never read any of your reviews, however thank you for being nice and  having patience to reply to newbies. Your knowledge about music besides being vast is exceptional i.e. the suggestions you give are always relevant to the person you are speaking to, this includes their music preference, genre and bands, you even go further as to suggest other bands that they might be interested resembling those. This is a rare thing, really.
I tend to focus on bands or music that I like yet you make an effort to read and understand other people's preferences/taste (this I speak from personal experience) what they like/their own perpective what they think is good by suggesting them to hear bands which they might not be familiar with.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2013 at 20:14
Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

i don't have any favorite reviewers. To be frank, I don't even know the name of any reviewers in particular. I hardly ever read reviews. When checking out new things all I really need is some historical context which can be easily found online usually, and beyond that I'm fine with making my own opinions about things.
 

Sumdeus, hi Handshake

This a fair argument, seriously. I know understand what you mean, certainly do not agree either with a lot of reviews and I too make up my own mind before reading most review.I do know a few reviewers, in fact I met one of P.A. Collaborator last year in Sweden (at the time I was there to see Pos, Beardfish and Gungfly perform), we became great friends and he is very dear to me. In terms of music tastes, he missed the ball completely on one that I believe is the new most exciting best thing, true tastes differ (thank goodness for that or considering democracy we would all love Justin Bieber or Rap music )  

Reviewers are human, tastes and preferences differ, however if they like something they do help spread the word more so compared well to me lol and they have credibility in this harsh industry. I personally like reviewers who take me into a journey (especially if they use humor/humour) not necessary objective but those who make me feel as if I was there listening with them how the album might sound like Big smile

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2013 at 01:26
I agree halfway with Sumdeus.  I don't rely so much on reviews to make up my mind.  A lot of my friends depend on recommendations from other friends for music and I don't necessarily do so to the same extent.  I just want some reviews, discussions or articles to get the word out on an artist so that I might then check out samples of their music and decide if it's for me.   But I do like to read reviews of reviewers who are really good at describing music, even if I don't agree with all of their opinions.   Exitthelemming, Chicapah, Certif1ed, Epignosis, Negoba, AtomicCrimsonRush, ClemofNazareth, tarkus1980 (John McFerrin) are some reviewers that I enjoy reading.  

Outside PA, I know professional reviewers seem to get a lot of flak on almost every music discussion forum but I like some of Stephen Thomas Erlewine and Bruce Eder's reviews for Allmusic.   The website might sometimes try too hard to contextualise poor releases of big bands/artists but other than that, many of their reviews are well constructed and if you read the reviews for all the releases of a band, it puts their work in perspective.   I find them less opinionated than the typical Rolling Stones affairs (not to mention Christgau).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2013 at 01:32
Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

i don't have any favorite reviewers. To be frank, I don't even know the name of any reviewers in particular. I hardly ever read reviews. When checking out new things all I really need is some historical context which can be easily found online usually, and beyond that I'm fine with making my own opinions about things.

Agreed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2013 at 03:11
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Outside PA, I know professional reviewers seem to get a lot of flak on almost every music discussion forum but I like some of Stephen Thomas Erlewine and Bruce Eder's reviews for Allmusic.   The website might sometimes try too hard to contextualise poor releases of big bands/artists but other than that, many of their reviews are well constructed and if you read the reviews for all the releases of a band, it puts their work in perspective.   I find them less opinionated than the typical Rolling Stones affairs (not to mention Christgau).

I agree, but unfortunately Allmusic has that really stupid system where the album ratings are decided by a committee and half of the time they don't match up with what the review has to say.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2013 at 04:48
My two top favourites:

1. Sean Trane - I love his reviews, even when they're sometimes short; he always comes to the point, and even though I don't always agree with his opinions, his insights are very valuable. As I said out before in an earlier reviewer thread (some time ago already): I always check out Sean Trane and I still do

2. Erik Neuteboom - I bought most of my Italian cd's because of his reviews; too bad he is not active on the site anymore

Further on: I appreciate the following reviewers: Easy Livin', Greenback, Cesar Inca, Fuxi, Iván Melgar M, Atavachron.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2013 at 05:04
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Outside PA, I know professional reviewers seem to get a lot of flak on almost every music discussion forum but I like some of Stephen Thomas Erlewine and Bruce Eder's reviews for Allmusic.   The website might sometimes try too hard to contextualise poor releases of big bands/artists but other than that, many of their reviews are well constructed and if you read the reviews for all the releases of a band, it puts their work in perspective.   I find them less opinionated than the typical Rolling Stones affairs (not to mention Christgau).

I agree, but unfortunately Allmusic has that really stupid system where the album ratings are decided by a committee and half of the time they don't match up with what the review has to say.

Ah, so that's the reason why there's often a discrepancy between review and rating. I didn't know, thanks!
Yes, I like Allmusic and I check that often too. For me also favorite reviewers Bruce Eder and S.T. Erlewine. The same with the top PA reviewers: I don't always agree, but it's still insightful and valuable.
Only the Camel rating on AMG is wretched, but apart from that, great site, which I often check for non prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2013 at 05:48
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

I like greenback because he has similar tastes to mine, and is rather objective in his reviews (ex : GTR, Anderson's 'walk into light' and Yes's '90125' get quite good ratings while devin townsend's 'Terria' is very poorly rated /// often the opposite with die-hard progsters).
Be careful with some reviewers : sane trane abhors all that is linked to neo-prog so you will never find any positive review of a neo-prog album by him.
Hi Lucas Hug
 
You made a good point there actually; some bands may be in the wrong category. Who decides them?
 
Now this said; Lucas I never read any of your reviews, however thank you for being nice and  having patience to reply to newbies. Your knowledge about music besides being vast is exceptional i.e. the suggestions you give are always relevant to the person you are speaking to, this includes their music preference, genre and bands, you even go further as to suggest other bands that they might be interested resembling those. This is a rare thing, really.
I tend to focus on bands or music that I like yet you make an effort to read and understand other people's preferences/taste (this I speak from personal experience) what they like/their own perpective what they think is good by suggesting them to hear bands which they might not be familiar with.
 
Thank you,
Sonia/Kati
 

 
Thank you very much Sonia for all these kind words. I wrote some reviews, most of the time in a hurry, hence their short length. I did an effort for the Lebowski review, which is very detailed, and I plan to review Methexis shortly. In my reviews, I tend to focus on the music itself, the melody, the overall mood and arrangements, regardless of the level of "progressivity" (or complexity, which some may use as a criterion for their ratings). Therefore, I may rate very  poorly a complex album in the RIO field, and rate very highly an album with simple melodies, pertaining here to prog-related subgenre or crossover.
 
I like to recommend artists/bands whenever someone asks, as a knowledge in a field is made to be shared and I myself am very happy/thrilled whenever I am recommended a new artist (biggest discoveries with PA's forum were Cardiacs, Sagrado Coraçao da Terra and IONA - bands that I would still not be acquainted with otherwise).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2013 at 12:45
I [cross out "loathe," add "have had a beef of late with"] All Music. One of the most important contemporary producers, whose production has had a monumental impact spanning across differing genres, is Burial. And they can't be bothered to review his releases. In fact, of his many EPs, not a single one has been reviewed. A Burial release hasn't been reviewed since 2007. The EPs SOUTH LONDON BOROUGHS, STOLEN DOG, KINDRED, and TRUANT have all been ignored (despite all of them ranking among the highest releases of the year in a great many music publications, including Pitchfork, Resident Advisor, The Quietus, Pop Matters, Drowned in Sound, Tiny Mix Tapes, The Wire, Fact Magazine, Stereogum, Consequence of Sound, et al). Also ignored by [cross out "the jerks at"] All Music is his EP with Massive Attack, and his EPs and singles made in collaboration with Thom Yorke (of Radiohead) and Four Tet. *Everything*  Burial releases is major news in the  music community - except for [cross out "the doofus brains at"] (Not) All Music. Once is an oversight. Thrice is sheer incompetence. But *EIGHT RELEASES???!* That's an insult, [cross out "and renders them utterly irrelevant and unqualified. Frack 'em."] Big smileBig smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2013 at 14:17
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Only the Camel rating on AMG is wretched, but apart from that, great site, which I often check for non prog.

Yes. Another thing that really irritated me is that they gave all Gentle Giant releases from Acquiring the Taste to Free Hand 4.5 stars (which I appreciate) except The Power and the Glory, which gets 2. The review for that one is also a headscratcher, with such strange statements as "There seems to be a unifying theme having to do with one's place in the social order, but it's very vague in contrast to Pink Floyd's re-creations of the post-'60s drug experience" (when did Pink Floyd ever do that?), ""No God's a Man" is an infinitely more challenging piece of music than anything on Jethro Tull's Aqualung" (not only is it one of the most accessible songs on the record, it also doesn't warrant a comparison to Jethro Tull in any way) and ""Playing the Game" and "So Sincere" were the most accessible tracks and ended up as key parts of their concert set." (Hah! "So Sincere" is accessible?)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2013 at 19:47
Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

I loathe All Music. One of the most important contemporary producers, whose production has had a monumental impact spanning across differing genres, is Burial. And they can't be bothered to review his releases. In fact, of his many EPs, not a single one has been reviewed. A Burial release hasn't been reviewed since 2007. The EPs SOUTH LONDON BOROUGHS, STOLEN DOG, KINDRED, and TRUANT have all been ignored (despite all of them ranking among the highest releases of the year in a great many music publications, including Pitchfork, Resident Advisor, The Quietus, Pop Matters, Drowned in Sound, Tiny Mix Tapes, The Wire, Fact Magazine, Stereogum, Consequence of Sound, et al). Also ignored by the jerks at All Music is his EP with Massive Attack, and his EPs and singles made in collaboration with Thom Yorke (of Radiohead) and Four Tet. *Everything*  Burial releases is major news in the  music community - except for the doofus brains at (Not) All Music. Once is an oversight. Thrice is sheer incompetence. But *EIGHT RELEASES???!* That's an insult, and renders them utterly irrelevant and unqualified. Frack 'em.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2013 at 19:52
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:


Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:







I loathe All Music. One of the most important contemporary producers, whose production has had a monumental impact spanning across differing genres, is Burial. And they can't be bothered to review his releases. In fact, of his many EPs, not a single one has been reviewed. A Burial release hasn't been reviewed since 2007. The EPs SOUTH LONDON BOROUGHS, STOLEN DOG, KINDRED, and TRUANT have all been ignored (despite all of them ranking among the highest releases of the year in a great many music publications, including Pitchfork, Resident Advisor, The Quietus, Pop Matters, Drowned in Sound, Tiny Mix Tapes, The Wire, Fact Magazine, Stereogum, Consequence of Sound, et al). Also ignored by the jerks at All Music is his EP with Massive Attack, and his EPs and singles made in collaboration with Thom Yorke (of Radiohead) and Four Tet. *Everything*  Burial releases is major news in the  music community - except for the doofus brains at (Not) All Music. Once is an oversight. Thrice is sheer incompetence. But *EIGHT RELEASES???!* That's an insult, and renders them utterly irrelevant and unqualified. Frack 'em.






Kindred is a masterpiece. Love it.


Exactly. Just as brilliant as Untrue - even if it's an EP.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2013 at 20:30
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:


Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:







I loathe All Music. One of the most important contemporary producers, whose production has had a monumental impact spanning across differing genres, is Burial. And they can't be bothered to review his releases. In fact, of his many EPs, not a single one has been reviewed. A Burial release hasn't been reviewed since 2007. The EPs SOUTH LONDON BOROUGHS, STOLEN DOG, KINDRED, and TRUANT have all been ignored (despite all of them ranking among the highest releases of the year in a great many music publications, including Pitchfork, Resident Advisor, The Quietus, Pop Matters, Drowned in Sound, Tiny Mix Tapes, The Wire, Fact Magazine, Stereogum, Consequence of Sound, et al). Also ignored by the jerks at All Music is his EP with Massive Attack, and his EPs and singles made in collaboration with Thom Yorke (of Radiohead) and Four Tet. *Everything*  Burial releases is major news in the  music community - except for the doofus brains at (Not) All Music. Once is an oversight. Thrice is sheer incompetence. But *EIGHT RELEASES???!* That's an insult, and renders them utterly irrelevant and unqualified. Frack 'em.






Kindred is a masterpiece. Love it.


Exactly. Just as brilliant as Untrue - even if it's an EP.


I rate UNTRUE the highest, but I'm pretty fanatical about all his stuff. He released a new EP, titled TRUANT/ROUGH SLEEPER, just before Christmas. It kind of slipped under the radar due to its release date, but I really like it a lot :-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 03:50
Reviewers are generally nerds who know nothing more about music than your average punter (which is next to nothing in the first place) but think their opinion is more valid than anyone else's. They are closely akin to DJ's and game show hosts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 04:51
^Are you always this cheerful?

Some reviewers actually know what they're talking about. Sometimes they've even spent half a century with a specific album. It's about love, feel and how you manage to get that across, without reducing oneself to phrases like "WOW" or "Bugger me, if it ain't a bassless tune" and "Rush are just about the most proficient symphonic band out there".

A good review can be as meaningful as the music, albeit in a very different media - presenting itself as a long lost soundtrack companion. 

May I just suggest that you lay off the generalisations for a bit? It doesn't suit you - and it will almost certainly alienate you from a lot of good people around here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 06:22
Originally posted by DiamondDog DiamondDog wrote:

Reviewers are generally nerds who know nothing more about music than your average punter (which is next to nothing in the first place) but think their opinion is more valid than anyone else's. They are closely akin to DJ's and game show hosts.

I've been called some things in my life, but DJ and game show host??Ouch

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 06:55
Originally posted by DiamondDog DiamondDog wrote:

Reviewers are generally nerds who know nothing more about music than your average punter (which is next to nothing in the first place) but think their opinion is more valid than anyone else's. They are closely akin to DJ's and game show hosts.
Amazingly constructive comment from someone who in 1.5 years has posted only five reviews, all of them with 5 stars (I will refrain from commenting about their quality, it's not my habit to be rude in the forum) Confused

And in any case the forgettable remark has nothing to do with the topic. Any reviewers who are indeed perceived by the readers as not deserving any appreciation would simply not get appreciation.
As for those whom many readers think do deserve appreciation, if you don't share the majority's opinion it's your problem.



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