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jean-marie View Drop Down

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Posted: March 02 2011 at 08:45

i hate all those thinking only the first album from any band is the only good one, and they're numerous Unhappy

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Posted: March 02 2011 at 10:42

There are lots of ''prog'' bands that copy old successful bands and make nothing original in the end. Influencing is a thing, copying it is another different thing. As I said a band that is really progressive or ''prog'' (seems that they have different meanings in this site) doesn't necessarily have to be good. And there are really a handful of bands that appeals to my taste if we are talking about prog in general.

Yeah progressive music is based on prog rock, at least it was at the beginning, but now there are lots of subgenres of prog, all of those genres have decent bands of their own.

And I didn't mean just metal music by loud music, I actually hate lots of genres of metal as well, like thrash and heavy metal. And most of death metal bands. I mostly enjoy black metal, but with progressive tendencies and atmosphere in it as well, and influenced by lots of genres and so having a unique original sound, like Agalloch, Shining(both), Emperor, Enslaved, Arcturus, Dodheimsgard, etc.

I listen nearly every genres with some exceptions, like rap, hip-hop, r&b, most of pop music etc. But I listen everything from electronic/ambient/drone/noise from classic music/blues/jazz etc. and their proper mixture of course.

As an example I personally cannot enjoy any new progressive rock band as I enjoy Negura Bunget, to be honest.

Edited by (De)progressive - March 02 2011 at 10:55

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Posted: March 02 2011 at 12:00

Henry Plainview wrote:

InClouds wrote:

(De)progressive wrote:

Haha, I love Owner Of A Lonely Heart

I honestly hate most of ''prog'' bands. Being prog don't make a band perfect or even good. I love prog mostly mixed with different genres and generally metal, I just can't stand boring quite prog rock bands, I don't know I just like loud music maybe. And for a reason I can't tell, I just can't stand ''christian'' prog or general rock and metal bands, at least if they show their ''believer'' side, I mean their lyrics make me laugh.

I love extreme music, the genre is not important generally. But mostly I like progressive black and death metal.

I don't really see how you can claim to hate most prog bands. The term "prog" encompasses such a vast number of different artists with such different characteristics that it seems almost inconceivable to me that you hate most of these bands. I think it makes much more sense to talk about the various sub-genres of prog than to make a generalization about prog as a whole.

The majority of music is really, really bad, and prog is not exempt from this.

I don't agree with that. There is a ton of music that I don't like, but I wouldn't necessarily call all of that bad. I am just unable to appreciate it. There's a difference between disliking something and declaring it inherently bad, which is what you seem to be implying most music is.

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Posted: March 02 2011 at 12:10

InClouds wrote:

Henry Plainview wrote:

The majority of music is really, really bad, and prog is not exempt from this.

I don't believe that inherently bad music exists, so that was not my intent.

if you own a sodastream i hate you

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Posted: March 02 2011 at 12:35

The quality of music is subjective.... If you have a general disliking or hatred for the genre. But if you are familiar with the genre and following closely, well... bad music is bad music. (For example) No one can come here and tell me that ''Open Your Eyes'' (Yes) was a decent album. It was CRAP.

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Posted: March 02 2011 at 14:55

I hate it when I watch the front page for new releases, and 90% of them seem to be either Crossover or Metal. I don't dislike those genres, but they are propably my two least favorite.

InClouds

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Posted: March 02 2011 at 15:54

(De)progressive wrote:

The quality of music is subjective.... If you have a general disliking or hatred for the genre. But if you are familiar with the genre and following closely, well... bad music is bad music. (For example) No one can come here and tell me that ''Open Your Eyes'' (Yes) was a decent album. It was CRAP.

Well, it still depends on what your standards are. It's certainly possible to like Open Your Eyes (I haven't listened to it), but you would have to have have different standards than a lot of us have. It's still not inherently bad, but I agree that it's something that people are probably less likely to enjoy (if the things that I've heard about it are true).

Edited by InClouds - March 02 2011 at 15:55

verslibre

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Posted: March 04 2011 at 13:15

That's how I feel about Talk. Hence I never went near OYE.

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Posted: March 04 2011 at 13:19

verslibre wrote:

That's how I feel about Talk. Hence I never went near OYE.

i kind of like both albums Embarrassed

Like you said quality is subjective, and neither album completely lacks it.

I suppose the same can be said of lots of bands with a commercial phase, especially Genesis and i've seen lots of sympathy for some of their later work around the forums lately.

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Posted: March 04 2011 at 13:27

In principle you should believe that there can not be any objectively bad music because at least the guy(s) who made and released the album must have thought that it had something to offer.

I can not think of anybody spending his time and money making something which he himself thinks is worth nothing.

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Posted: March 04 2011 at 13:35

Gerinski wrote:

In principle you should believe that there can not be any objectively bad music because at least the guy(s) who made and released the album must have thought that it had something to offer.

I can not think of anybody spending his time and money making something which he himself thinks is worth nothing.

I've worked on projects that seemed great at the start but by the end, I saw that they had a lot of flaws and weren't what I tought they would end up being. But still felt obligated to release it once I was done, since I'd put so much time into it.

As such, I don't find it too ridiculous to believe the same could happen to anyone, including musical artists.

Edited by TheGazzardian - March 04 2011 at 13:36

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Posted: March 04 2011 at 14:01

Aspects of prog that totally aggravate me, and drive me insane:

-Any band that doesn't personally autograph their records, before allowing us to purchase them.

-Any record that doesn't personally thank Robert Fripp in the liner notes.

-Any record that doesn't personally thank ME in the liner notes.

-When an artist makes the unfortunate error of not including backstage passes and free candy with every new release (Beardfish...I'm looking at you here...).

-When a song is NOT at least 51:08 minutes long, and not a second shorter.

-Any song that does not include a stirring oboe improvisation.

-An unfortunate tendency in most neo-prog to avoid the use of cowbell.

-Mike Ratledge's haircut.

Surely, these are the most criminal and aggregious annoyances known to mankind.

InClouds

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Posted: March 04 2011 at 15:39

verslibre wrote:

That's how I feel about Talk. Hence I never went near OYE.

And I actually really like Talk. So this is a pretty good example of the subjective nature of music (or any other form of art). It's quite possible that someone feels the same way about Open Your Eyes that I do about Talk.

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