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The Whistler
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 02:41 |
I always thought of it more as Ian's humor. "I don't think they'll like this very much," because it's, like, a medieval audience recieving hard rock.
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fuxi
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 03:47 |
The Whistler wrote:
What do I think of Minstrel? It, uh, how can I phrase this correctly...rocks? Like, hard? Like, super hard?I once made the mistake of putting the album on top of the Yes Album. (sniff) Poor thing was crushed under the HEAVY WOOD that is Minstrel. That song is, like, my favoritest Tull number evah.
(The first side of the album is fantastic; Minstrel, "favoritest Tull number evah," the fun and rockin' Cold Wind, Black Satin Dancer, great guitar work. Requiem is quite nice. All drifty and weepy. Side two sags a little. One White Etc. is good, but overlong. Baker Street Muse is a little too much, but the opening and closing sections are great. The finisher, Grace, is just fantastic--currently my favorite album closer, beating out Eclipse) |
Hi there Whistler, ('I have a fife...')
I think we'd make great friends! As I said earlier, in my view the opening and closing tracks of MINSTREL are the weakest of the entire album.
Still, I can honestly say that Jethro Tull are one of my favourite bands. They've done some embarrassing things, but which rock band hasn't, and I completely agree that all their seventies recordings are delightful! Although I still don't know TOO OLD...
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Philéas
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 18:02 |
I prefer it over both TaaB and Aqualung.
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Stefanovic
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 18:04 |
my choice is Aqualung and Songs from the Wood
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The Whistler
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 00:02 |
fuxi wrote:
The Whistler wrote:
What do I think of Minstrel? It, uh, how can I phrase this correctly...rocks? Like, hard? Like, super hard?I once made the mistake of putting the album on top of the Yes Album. (sniff) Poor thing was crushed under the HEAVY WOOD that is Minstrel. That song is, like, my favoritest Tull number evah.
(The first side of the album is fantastic; Minstrel, "favoritest Tull number evah," the fun and rockin' Cold Wind, Black Satin Dancer, great guitar work. Requiem is quite nice. All drifty and weepy. Side two sags a little. One White Etc. is good, but overlong. Baker Street Muse is a little too much, but the opening and closing sections are great. The finisher, Grace, is just fantastic--currently my favorite album closer, beating out Eclipse) |
Hi there Whistler, ('I have a fife...')
I think we'd make great friends! As I said earlier, in my view the opening and closing tracks of MINSTREL are the weakest of the entire album.
Still, I can honestly say that Jethro Tull are one of my favourite bands. They've done some embarrassing things, but which rock band hasn't, and I completely agree that all their seventies recordings are delightful! Although I still don't know TOO OLD... |
Well, I do rock...
Oh, get Too Old. Look: if you liked Requiem, you'll like From a Deadbeat to an Old Greaser. If you liked Cold Wind (particularly the opening), you'll like Salamander. If you liked Song for Jeffrey, you'll like Taxi Grab. And, if you liked New Day Yesterday, you just might like the title track.
And besides...Ian (er, Ray Lomas) is flippin' everyone off on the cover! Look closely...can't get better than that!
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Nowhere Man
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 20:09 |
Very good album. I just got it about a week ago.
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smithers
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 21:18 |
Minstrel is the bands 2nd weakest moment of the 70s. Some good tunes, but none are outstanding. I prefer all other remasters except Too old to RnR, which is equal with Minstrel remaster. The sound and the song writing doesn't match TAAB at all. TAAB is excellent, Minstrel is good but Summerday sands is lovely. Minstrel is not as good as SFTW, A or Heavy horses. It is not as good as the bands years 1970, 1971 1974 or 1979. Tull had too many good songs from those 4 years on the Stormwatch, Benefit, Warchild and Aqualung REMASTERS and Living in the past. I think Too old to RnR is a good remaster and I love strip cartoon. 1975 and 1976 are good years for the band, but they are a step below all other 70s years. A passion play is mildly better than 1975 and 1976 too
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Asyte2c00
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 21:22 |
Yeah, that album is great. Its in my top five Tull albums for sure.
Its Victorian Prog, a bit of change for Tull and its the last album with bassist Jeffery Hammond-Hammond who never pick up his bass again to pursue his life-long dream of painting.  
"Cold Wind to Valhalla," "Baker St. Muse" and the title tarck are standout cuts for me.
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Uroboros
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 21:26 |
Minstrel in the Gallery = excellence
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Asyte2c00
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 21:27 |
I think Stand Up s the hidden gem regarding Tull albums.
No one really ventures there becasue it was during their blues-folk period before the became prog.
This Was commendable effort, shoddy production, inconsistent thoguh, definitely shows potential.
Stand Up - solid Blues Folk album, Terrific Record, Consisten throughout.
Benefit - Sadly, i could never listen to this is one sitting. Surprising, its more accessible than other tull records, like A Passion Play, but yeah, pretty lifeless, A dry run a Aqualung just as many say Obscured by Clouds was a dry run fro Dark Side of the Moon
However, Tull redeems themselves with Nothing is Easy: Live at the Isle of Wright 1970 performing renditions of songs which appear on the three aforementioned albums. "Dharma for One" is great. Clive Bunker rules.
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Fassbinder
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 21:37 |
Minstrel in the Gallery is very strong album. Very divertive, in the good old Jethro Tull tradition, with some superb musicianship.
Two tracks of it, namely, "Cold Wind to Valhalla"  and "Black Satin Dancer"  , are just amazing, in my opinion.
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smithers
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 21:40 |
Fassbinder wrote:
Minstrel in the Gallery is very strong album. Very divertive, in the good old Jethro Tull tradition, with some superb musicianship.
Two tracks of it, namely, "Cold Wind to Valhalla"  and "Black Satin Dancer"  , are just amazing, in my opinion. |
i find it a bit lifeless 
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smithers
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 21:43 |
Asyte2c00 wrote:
I think Stand Up s the hidden gem regarding Tull albums.
No one really ventures there becasue it was during their blues-folk period before the became prog.
This Was commendable effort, shoddy production, inconsistent thoguh, definitely shows potential.
Stand Up - solid Blues Folk album, Terrific Record, Consisten throughout.
Benefit - Sadly, i could never listen to this is one sitting. Surprising, its more accessible than other tull records, like A Passion Play, but yeah, pretty lifeless, A dry run a Aqualung just as many say Obscured by Clouds was a dry run fro Dark Side of the Moon
However, Tull redeems themselves with Nothing is Easy: Live at the Isle of Wright 1970 performing renditions of songs which appear on the three aforementioned albums. "Dharma for One" is great. Clive Bunker rules.
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if you go through the Stand up remaster, The bonus songs Living in the past, Sweet dream and Driving are the classic songs of the cd. Then you add Look into the sun(which is excellent), Jeffrey goes to Leicester square, Nothing is easy, Fatman, Bouree etc. Tull were one of the best bands going around in 1969 when you look at those songs above. 1969 is a better year than 1975(Minstrel) :)
Edited by smithers - November 08 2006 at 04:30
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Uroboros
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 22:12 |
I say they were better than most in '75 as well. And yes, "Cold Wind to Valhalla" and "Black Satin Dancer", along with "Baker St. Muse", are crushingly beautiful. It's a unique album (no other in their discography sounds the same), it's unshamedly progressive, and I feel it's the album where Palmer's orchestrations were most efficient (although those on Songs from the Wood are comparable). Plus, Barlow's work on this album leaves my jaw on the floor everytime.
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smithers
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 22:25 |
Cold wind to valhalla is good but sounds like a broken record, Barlow plays same thing
Black satin is quite good
One white duck is nice but should have stopped half way
Minstrel in the gallery sounds like Ian has taken helium
Requiem is nice when you are in the mood
Baker st is good but parts just drag on
Grace is too short
Summerday sands is best song from start to finish
Album suffers from quiet drums, quiet bass, vocals are too clean, song writing isn't as exciting as most tull and there is too much strumming and not enough fingerwork :)
Edited by smithers - November 05 2006 at 22:26
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 02:00 |
Look, near as I can reckon, every Tull album from 'Benefit' through 'Horses' is first rate, absolute cream. If you like one I don't reasonably see how you can't like another. But that's cool, it's why we're all here talking.
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The Whistler
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 02:28 |
'75 is, of course, my favorite year for prog 'n roll, because of certain songs from certain bands. Minstrel, favorite Tull tune, Wish You Were Here, favorite Floydster, and 21st Century Schizoid Man, offa the USA live album (my favorite version of that song).
And don'tchu be 'a hatin' when Tull comes a rockin', 'cause...er, I dunno. Ran outta thought.
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bundy
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 07:00 |
Atavachron wrote:
Look, near as I can reckon, every Tull album from 'Benefit' through 'Horses' is first rate, absolute cream. If you like one I don't reasonably see how you can't like another. But that's cool, it's why we're all here talking. |
My sentiments as well although I would continue on as far as Stormwatch is one of my absolute favourites. Few bands have ever produced such a run of top notch albums as Tull. I've always felt there's no such thing as a mediocre Tull album - they're all good it's just that are some even better than others. About the only other band I would say that about with such an extensive catalogue would be Rush.
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smithers
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 07:22 |
i agree that stormwatch is a cool album and the stormwatch remaster has the best bonus tracks of the bands late 70s remasters. So 1977, 78 and 79 are 3 excellent years for the band. I will also include A as a fine album. Broadsword isn't a great album but it is still good, but 1982 has more than 10 fine songs. How can people forget I'm your gun, Motoreyes, Too many Too, Down at the end of your road and Jackalynn which didnt feature any percussion. The band was on top of the world from 1977-1982. But they were also on top of the world from 1969-1974. The remasters have incredible bonus songs. Minstrel and Too old are a slight drop in form. I even prefer the 90s albums
Edited by smithers - November 06 2006 at 07:24
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The Whistler
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Posted: November 08 2006 at 02:33 |
Well, Stormwatch is good and all, but every true Tuller knows that Heavy Horses is...the end. It's the last "true Tull" album, seeing as how all the members were actually present. In fact, when you listen to the (heavy) intro of Heavy Horses (song), it's like Ian is saying, "Okay, this is the last run lads. Let's make it really count."
And I'm thinking WAY too far into these songs.
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"There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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