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Points: 3089 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2007 at 10:06
Originally posted by oracus oracus wrote:

I don't know if you aware of the fact that Led Zeppelin's songs hides satanic messages (if you don't believe me). So i don't think that Zeppelin fits in Christian category :-)


of course i'm aware. that might actually be the explanation for my strong need to go in the cemetery late at night and dig up graves, draw inversed crosses and sing incantations in languages i don't know. this urge comes every saturday evening and i need to be tied up. i was also told that listening to stairway to heaven brings rest to me, especially when played reversed. Wink
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Over the last few months I've purchased both ? and One by Neal Morse and I think you would absolutely love the music.  Portnoy is drumming so how much more do you need to know about the quality?  I also appreciate the suggestions of other CProg bands on this topic because it's hard to get that info anywhere else.
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Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

Originally posted by oracus oracus wrote:

I don't know if you aware of the fact that Led Zeppelin's songs hides satanic messages (if you don't believe me). So i don't think that Zeppelin fits in Christian category :-)


of course i'm aware. that might actually be the explanation for my strong need to go in the cemetery late at night and dig up graves, draw inversed crosses and sing incantations in languages i don't know. this urge comes every saturday evening and i need to be tied up. i was also told that listening to stairway to heaven brings rest to me, especially when played reversed. Wink


We need an exorcism! Where's the priest when you need him? Wink


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Points: 3089 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2007 at 10:28
Some Neal Morse therapy & lots of prayer in irregular time signatures seems to be needed! LOL Well Saturday evening (Sabbath) is coming, so see ya' tomorrow! If someone by the name andu is posting devilish stuff on the forums, it was me, but it wasn't me! Evil Smile
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Please help me understand Christian Prog.

If it's influenced by the bible or faith it can also be defined as Islamic Prog or Jewish Prog. Perhaps the term spiritual prog is better? In that case is Shakti spiritual prog? Western culture as a whole is influenced by the bible old and new testament so any lyrics with a reference to a messiah or Jesus or a savior is christian prog?

Is it music by christians? In that case almost all British and American music is christian.

Perhaps I don't understand it but I'm slightly allergic to the term.
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Originally posted by Spiderprog Spiderprog wrote:

Please help me understand Christian Prog.

If it's influenced by the bible or faith it can also be defined as Islamic Prog or Jewish Prog. Perhaps the term spiritual prog is better? In that case is Shakti spiritual prog? Western culture as a whole is influenced by the bible old and new testament so any lyrics with a reference to a messiah or Jesus or a savior is christian prog?

Is it music by christians? In that case almost all British and American music is christian.

Perhaps I don't understand it but I'm slightly allergic to the term.
well the Christian prog , jewish prog , Islamic prog  isn`t a problem I`ll listen to any decent prog  Wink
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Sorry for the delay in response to Rick Wakeman earlier.  Some of these may no longer be in print but check out his website to be sure www.rwcc.com

The Gospels - Originally released in 1987
The Word And The Gospels -  Originally released in 1988
In The Beginning - Originally released  in 1990
Prayers - Only 5000 released and he wasn't happy with this. Wakeman suggests getting Can You Hear Me instead
The New Gospels - released in 1996
Can You Hear Me - released in 1996
Orisons - released in 1996
The Word And Music - released in 1996

I'll stop here.  Check out his website as he has his own recommendations/comments on each of his albums.  Not all are progressive in nature.
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Though I am a little late to the discussion, I can't help but jump in with my own opinions:
 
  1. Neal Morse - In my opinion, hands down the best at his trade and very uplifting.  You can't go wrong with his three prog albums: Testimony, One and ?.  (One is my favorite.)
  2. Glass Hammer - Though the keyboards are a little too dominant for my taste, these guys make some great music and I love the female vocals that are woven into the songs.  Lex Rex is by far my favorite from this group though The Inconsolable Secret has grown on me.
  3. Iona - wonderful musicians and beautiful music.
  4. Ajalon - On the Threshold of Eternity is a decent album with guest spots from Phil Keagy, Rick Wakeman and Neal Morse.
  5. America Gomorrah - Some will question whether this is prog, but I tend to think that they are even though they have some AOR leanings.  But their Exchanging Truth for a Lie album is very good, in my opinion.
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You mentioned ELP at the top of your list of secular prog you enjoy, so I would definetly check out Glass Hammer they have very ELP esq keyboards. Iona is very beautiful music, much recommended!
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Originally posted by Spiderprog Spiderprog wrote:

Please help me understand Christian Prog.

If it's influenced by the bible or faith it can also be defined as Islamic Prog or Jewish Prog. Perhaps the term spiritual prog is better? In that case is Shakti spiritual prog? Western culture as a whole is influenced by the bible old and new testament so any lyrics with a reference to a messiah or Jesus or a savior is christian prog?

Is it music by christians? In that case almost all British and American music is christian.

Perhaps I don't understand it but I'm slightly allergic to the term.
 
Judaism and Islam don't use the Bible; they use the Torah and the Qu'ran (respectively). However, the Torah is basically the Old Testament.
 
And as far as who is a Christian goes, sure much of Western Culture and all you mentioned is rooted in Christianity, but nowadays so many people have strayed from Christianity. People who reference God or whomever aren't necessarily Christians, becauase they don't actually practice it (having a relationship with the Lord and making a conscious effort to adhere to His principles). Plus that statement would also mean people who say 'G.D.' (you should know what that means) is also a Christian because they are referring to God, but that is one of the most blasphemous things one could say.
 
Christian Prog would be something as Neal Morse (my recommendation to the thread-starter, and I think his best work is ONE, but all 3 are good, plus a new one in a month). His music is solely focused on God and the sort. Lyrically, much of it is comprable to standard Christian music, albeit it's more inventive given the concepts and all.
 
Christians don't always write songs about their spiritual side. Most Christian artists have a bunch of songs about love or even some fun, humorous stuff. So I would say Christian bands don't necessarily write about God, but through most of their work there is a general positivity to the music that comes as a result of their beliefs.
 
 


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Try Orphaned Land.
Their Jewish/Christian prog( not entirely sure which, but it really dosent make the biggest difrence).
Plus, their amazing, so thats aways a plus.
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They aren't on this site...yet.But check out a band called Divine in Sight and their excellent album Sorrow & Promise.Very good Art Rock.


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You definitely need to check out Proto-Kaw.  Kerry Livgren writes the best Christian music around, if you ask me, and Before Became After and The Wait of Glory are both excellent albums.  And if you want more Kerry Livgren, check out Kansas's most recent studio album, Somewhere to Elsewhere.  There are certainly Christian overtones throughout. 
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Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

as i remember, out of your list of favourites, pink floyd and ELP were actually anti-religion.


I don't think is it really important. I'm a Christian too and I also love ELP music. I think that lyrics aren't so important at all, music counts more. (anyway the most straightward anti -religion song of I know ELP is "Hymn"...Are there any others?) And by the way I don't think that they are so anti-religious to these days 'cause in fact Emerson & Palmer even recorded albums with...Christmas Carols :-).
Anyway these are the most christian prog-bands I know:

-Light (Netherland band which recorded album "The Story of Moses")
-Gracious
-Badger (Tony Kaye from Yes played there)
-Salamander
-Glass Hammer
-Spock's Beard (with Neal Morse)

And unfortunatelly that's all I know.

    
    
    

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Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

as i remember, out of your list of favourites, pink floyd and ELP were actually anti-religion.


Christianity isn't/should not be religion. It's supposed to be about having a relationship with God. There is a big difference.
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Originally posted by ozzy_tom ozzy_tom wrote:



Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

as i remember, out of your list of favourites, pink floyd and ELP were actually anti-religion.


I don't think is it really important. I'm a Christian too and I also love ELP music. I think that lyrics aren't so important at all, music counts more. (anyway the most straightward anti -religion song of I know ELP is "Hymn"...Are there any others?) And by the way I don't think that they are so anti-religious to these days 'cause in fact Emerson & Palmer even recorded albums with...Christmas Carols :-).


I agree with you, I also enjoy ELP and PF and the fact that I'm a believer doesn't collide with listening to good music. It is only when musicians get down to the (low) level of anti-religion propaganda that I can not stand and refuse to listen. Unfortunately there are cases...
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Originally posted by endlessepic endlessepic wrote:

This is for Christian proggers or decent non-christians. King Crimson


How strange that king crimson is mentioned here, as the "crimson king " is the prince of darkness.
      
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Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by endlessepic endlessepic wrote:

This is for Christian proggers or decent non-christians. King Crimson


How strange that king crimson is mentioned here, as the "crimson king " is the prince of darkness.
      


Thank you all for suggestions, I will be checking into the bands you have mentioned! I love finding new music.

Just to clarify, alot the music that I listen to isn't christian...and some may even say that it is anti-religious. What can I say...I love prog, and I listen to it for the music and the poetry and such. I have heard about some songs having bad messages but I don't listen to it for the message...I just know it rocks!

I hate the lyrics by Greg Lake on that song "The Only Way" but the tune is really good. The lyrics ruin the song though...I just play my own version where I do a bit of lyric changing...cause I hate protest/propaganda/trying to make a political/religious statement type of music.

As far as King Crimson...never really thought of that...they have excellant music though...

Thanks for responses!
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Neal Morse, first and foremost. Ever since Testimony I've been very eager to what he has to say. As a Christian myself, I find it very inspiring. His follow-ups are equally impressive.

Morse just has the knack of being able to cut right through you with a lyric or a melody. You can almost feel tears well up when you hear "Oh, To Feel Him" from Testimony, "Cradle To The Grave" from One (with Phil Keaggy), or "21" from ?. Simply inspiring.

Glass Hammer is a good band, too. They don't really wear their Christianity on their sleeves, but I do detect some in Lex Rex.

Iona is another good place to start. A bit on the Celtic side of prog, it's still incredible music, nonetheless. Almost a cross between Clannad and Yes.

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Originally posted by endlessepic endlessepic wrote:

What particular album should I get of Neal Morse...I want something that sounds somewhat close to Spocks Beard...
 
I like 'One'.Thats a solid prog rock album made by just three musicians and carrying a very strong Christian message.
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