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Points: 1320 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 06:58
Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

We need the discographies to be chronological. We're prog fans, and don't care too much about ratings, but as collectors and completists we're rather anal about the order in which things were released and things like that Geek Wink
 
I agree, but did you say "anal"? ConfusedLOL
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^ that's a term from psychoanalysis; it's about one type of obsessive behaviour. Smile
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Points: 13551 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 08:55
Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

There's one more thing I noticed. Take this for example: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2489. Look at the bottom of the bio (the discography part)...



"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."

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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 09:12
^ that disco was writen as part of the bio, we can't go back and add disco's manually for every artist. And as that Neurosis bio shows, they aren't up to date.
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Points: 24439 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 09:18
I'd just like to add one thing, in the hope of not sparking off any controversy.... We all know it can be a lot of work to research in order to write a decent bio for new entries. It would've been nice if at least we Collabs had been forewarned that something like that was going to happen. In my very humble opinion, it is our duty to make the site user-friendly, and reactions such as the one of the new member from Poland on the previous page should give us pause. Just my two eurocents, of course....
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Points: 216 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 10:35
Ah. Changes Smile My initial thoughts:
 
Big%20smile The initial presentation of the bands: Picture and biography are well-placed and nice to look at! Beautiful!
 
Smile Contents - always comes in handy.
Smile List of latest reviews - a nice touch.
 
 
Confused The videos have a very profound place - I find these far less interesting than the discography and even the sound clips. First things first is a clever rule of thumbs! But not essential, I don't care that much.
Confused The ads are even more in-your-face than before. I don't think this is a strategic choice of development for the site, but this is discussed in another thread. (I'd be willing to pay to get rid of them.)
Confused The presentation of albums. I tend to find this structure eye-appealing, but I totally agree with Dargdean who reminds us that this site is not only for presentation of popularity, but also for presentation of facts. For many users, a chronological list is far more useful than a list by category and ratings. How about making it possible to list the discography both ways?
 
Dead But PLEASE - if you choose to keep it this way - PLEASE include the number of ratings along with the number of stars. For me, the number of ratings is just as decisive for whether or not I choose to buy an album than the actual rating, and the way this is structured now, it's just a lot more work for me to find out.
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Points: 108 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 15:47
I agree with the comment above. But in my oppinion there's a lot more negative to the new image.
I searched for this topic in the first place because of being pissed off by the fact that the albums aren't in cronological order and furthermore, even the release-year of the albums has gone missing.
I disapprove this type of arrangement for the addies as well, they really hurt the eye right now. The ad's should be much less disturbing. And maybe the videos relocated too.
But, working on the site's design is of course a good thing. When the negative aspects don't stay that is. There are a few good things to it that work nicely too though...
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Points: 216 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 16:02
Originally posted by Desoc Desoc wrote:

Confused The presentation of albums. I tend to find this structure eye-appealing, but I totally agree with Dargdean who reminds us that this site is not only for presentation of popularity, but also for presentation of facts. For many users, a chronological list is far more useful than a list by category and ratings. How about making it possible to list the discography both ways?
 
Dead But PLEASE - if you choose to keep it this way - PLEASE include the number of ratings along with the number of stars. For me, the number of ratings is just as decisive for whether or not I choose to buy an album than the actual rating, and the way this is structured now, it's just a lot more work for me to find out.
 
And voila - very effectively carried out Thumbs%20Up
 
Now, if the year of release is possible to include without messing up the design (I believe that should be possible), I think you have a winning concept here Smile
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 17:16
I suspect M@x and Phil will still be tidying things up, so let's give it a few days to see how the changes settle down. I've fed back some of the issues already, such as the ordering of the albums and the enormous e-bay ad.
 
We can then summarise the input and feed it back.
 
Can I ask though that the feedback is kept constructive. M@x and Phil work hard for the site. You may or may not like what they have done, but simply letting off steam is hardly fair. Let's bear that in mind before hitting the keyboard.
 
Raf, for info, the only forewarning we got was that M@x was working on a new version of the site, and we shared that in the forum. 
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Points: 46843 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 17:21
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

 I've fed back some of the issues already, such as the ordering of the albums and the enormous e-bay ad.
 


those are the two that reside up my rear end LOL

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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 17:29
Hot off the presses, M@x tells me that:
"I will later add the functionality to order by Most Popular but I have restore the Chronological order.

The TOP 100 Reviewer are back in the Front Page.
The TOP Albums will be added to the Front Page."
 
He is listening!Big%20smile
 
(I see he's also added the number of reviews again, but the years are missing at the moment)


Edited by Easy Livin - November 09 2007 at 17:30
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I like it, one thing though..... and yes I have bought this up before, and I probably will again, but please, please in the "content" box can the link to BUY be a link to the bands own web-stores?
 
PLEASE?
 
Independent artists are in difficult times, and sites like this are a valuable tool, but if the shopping traffic could be diverted our way rather than away from us it might help!
 
Guys?
 
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Points: 46843 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 17:55
Originally posted by prog-chick prog-chick wrote:

I like it, one thing though..... and yes I have bought this up before, and I probably will again, but please, please in the "content" box can the link to BUY be a link to the bands own web-stores?
 
PLEASE?
 
Independent artists are in difficult times, and sites like this are a valuable tool, but if the shopping traffic could be diverted our way rather than away from us it might help!
 
Guys?
 
Cheers,
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that seems like quite a valid sugestion...
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Points: 13551 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 18:40
Originally posted by prog-chick prog-chick wrote:

I like it, one thing though..... and yes I have bought this up before, and I probably will again, but please, please in the "content" box can the link to BUY be a link to the bands own web-stores?
 
PLEASE?
 
Independent artists are in difficult times, and sites like this are a valuable tool, but if the shopping traffic could be diverted our way rather than away from us it might help!
 
Guys?
 
Cheers,
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But there are links to bands' official sites and the bands usually sell their stuff through them, aren't they? Smile
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Points: 46843 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 19:56
Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

Originally posted by prog-chick prog-chick wrote:

I like it, one thing though..... and yes I have bought this up before, and I probably will again, but please, please in the "content" box can the link to BUY be a link to the bands own web-stores?
 
PLEASE?
 
Independent artists are in difficult times, and sites like this are a valuable tool, but if the shopping traffic could be diverted our way rather than away from us it might help!
 
Guys?
 
Cheers,
PC x


But there are links to bands' official sites and the bands usually sell their stuff through them, aren't they? Smile


sure...  but if it makes it simpler... why not...  unless we are not allowed to by  Ebay as part of some deal so they could have half the artist page to sell things. 

Anyhow...  the lastest tweeks are nice... and as soon and those damn Ebay ads are removed... they will look even better.  Or just humour an old fart who really dislikes this. .and sees no need for it... stick the damn things on the bottom... unless the terms don't allow that either.   It simply makes this site look  like a commerical whore for ebay.. rather than a reference site for prog.. which is the ONE thing that people across the web do respect this site for. As I've said.. if it is a question of money...  the day we refuse to pay what it takes to keep this site and running...I'll quit my bitching about it and we can have all the ads to keep the site up and even allow M@X a new boat to ski behind LOL.  Call this the beginnning of class warfare.. but we aren't paid to make this site what it is.. and seeing our work rendered well below a frickin ad for Ebay does burn my ass.  I'll get over it... but  allow me to vent.... I've earned it...all these collabs have if they feel the need.  We are the ones who work for free for the site.. and don't see a damned cent for it.


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Hate it, not to be so harsh, but the old layout was perfectly fine.  "If it aint broke, don't fix it".
 
the review being posted at the bottom is great, but at the expense of the neat layout before, clearly showing the year of release for each album and such...an awful expense, at least.
 
Also, No more Top Rated Albums?  I used to use that all the time!  Now I have to actually look and see which are top rated?  I would have never gotten some albums if it weren't for the ability to see what are the top albms for a band.
 
this new layout needs to GO
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Points: 322 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2007 at 01:36
I don't like it it's a lot less accesible and less informative and the placement of the ad really annoys me.
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Originally posted by The Lost Chord The Lost Chord wrote:

the review being posted at the bottom is great, but at the expense of the neat layout before, clearly showing the year of release for each album and such...an awful expense, at least.
 
Now... let's not exaggerate. The layout before wasn't exactly "neat" - I used to get lost in singles and EPs and box sets all the time, particularly in the case of bands of the 70s who have released all their material four or five times. I totally understand the need to tidy up a little.

The new solution isn't perfect, but has even during the last 24 hours had several improvements. I've suggested that the years of release be included in the new layout, which I believe would be an improvement.

Originally posted by The Lost Chord The Lost Chord wrote:

Also, No more Top Rated Albums?  I used to use that all the time!  Now I have to actually look and see which are top rated?  I would have never gotten some albums if it weren't for the ability to see what are the top albms for a band.


As I understand it on Bob's post, M@x is working on an option to choose the way the albums are listed - by order of release or by order of rating?

Perhaps it's even possible to make a function for choosing to view the releases in a single list, without the categorization, for those who prefer that? I mean, with all this technology and stuff, who knows what can be done... Tongue
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I am enchanted with the layout changes.
 
1. A clear and more comprehensive display of the work of an artist (studio, live, compilation, EP's)
 
2. The top hundred list is again easily available which is of major interest when someone wants to discover the highlights of a genre she/he wants to investigate
 
3. Top hundred reviewer listed again is also a good thing
 
What else can I say ? Great job Max.
 
A few more thing though.
 
I would like to see the date of release of an album when viewing a band discography (since live, compilations etc. are separated from studio) one cannot easily figure out the chronology of the whole any longer (one has to go to the specific album page to see this info). I don't believe it should be too difficult to do that.
 
And what about the 0.5 rating ??? Nothing new on that front. It seems that the thread about it is as good as dead but without definite conclusion. So...
 
Keep on with the good work guys.
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I like the grouping by studio album, live, video, etc.  It would be nice to add year of release under the album title.  Could do without the infernal ads before the content.  Guess that's just the price you have to pay for a free site.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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